The Hilltop Glove Podcast | Cultivated Ignorance

[00:00:00] Hey everyone. Welcome back to another episode of the Hilltop Glove Podcast. Today we have the pleasure of speaking with William Patterson and Michael Murray. Michael is an entre. Michael is an entrepreneur, photographer. Music lover and podcaster. William is a father and podcaster.

Both located in Columbia, South Carolina, William and Michael are the host of the Cultivated Ignorance Podcast, where Black, unity, empowerment, and education meets comedic social commentary and entertainment. News started in 2018. They have interviewed an array of guests from poets, photographers, musicians, activists, and professors.

They discuss all things black, beautiful, and ridiculous engaging topics such as the souls of black folk. The mask of masculinity, defining black liberations and the war on whites and money over matrimony. How y'all fellas doing today? What's going on? Feeling good. I had to select some selective topics, you know, I like, like that.

Especially on white, the lovely intro. Thank you. You. Great job. [00:01:00] You're doing great, man. Glad to be here on y'all's world famous podcast. Oh, thanks. Quiet, quiet, famous man. Shoot, I'm, I'm just happy to have y'all sitting down. In, in a, an official capacity for sure. And just as always, we installed with the boring, suffer and get that out of the way.

Our audience, of course, some of them may be cross audience folks, so they may already know you, but would you just give our audience a little background of each of you two what you do, where you came from, and some of your childhood experiences. Okay. So you'd like to start? Yeah. So I'm will I a podcast, I, I vibe, you know, I work in logistics.

So I guess for me, you know, growing up as an only child, I think you get like a very, I don't know, this weird view of the world. Like you the only one going through it. Yep, yep. You know, with that it's, I've, I guess I've had to really take on other people's experiences. Throughout life to really learn exactly, you know, all these different cultures, how different people act because I, I, I didn't get that from home, mm-hmm. You know, just me and moms [00:02:00] holding it down. What's your sign? Taurus. Taurus. Okay. Yeah. It's a true Taurus dude. I don't, I don't believe in none of that. It don't, man. Everybody's stubborn. Everybody's, so yeah, man, you know, just podcast record. Take care of my kids. That's pretty much it. That sounds good.

Sounds good. I'm Mike, also, only child. Shout out to black Ma, black mamas worldwide. For real. Hey. Yeah, man. I work in it to keep the food on the table, but of course Chuba passionate art, people, community. I work with a lot of arts organizations. I'm on the executive committee for Alternate Roots.

I got a business called the Playlist where we do performance art events. I'm a photographer, poet. More than anything, I'm just a lover out here, just on love on people and myself. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, man, much like Will had just me and my moms growing up. I do have brothers and, and a sister, but I didn't really grow up with them.

Mm-hmm. And I will say my mom is such a people person. She's a serial flirt just like me. And no serial What? Serial flirter. Serial Flirter. Serial flirter. And because of that, I think a lot of the world got opened up to me really early on cuz I'm just so open to other people's experiences. Yeah. And just [00:03:00] talking to people and just relating people in general.

But it's still at the same time yeah, when you are an only child, like you, just, the whole world is about you and it's a beautiful thing. A beautiful thing. So you gotta, I'll never forget when I was little, I used to, there was a distinct moment in class where I was like, I wonder if I'm the only one in this and everybody else is just a robot around me.

Wow. Never had that.

Didn't have that. But I did have that wake up call though. Cause I used to wanna live with my brothers and sisters so bad. I was like, why can't I have my siblings? Then I realized like I get to be selfish with all my stuff. Yeah. I ain't gotta share nothing. I gotta just, y'all like Suffolk guys. God, there's a good, so like how did y'all meet?

Like Yeah, we met in high school. Okay. Yeah. We met high school, Ridgeview High School. Go ahead, Ridge. Stand up. Ridgeview. Yeah, we used to play PE back in the day together. Wait, Y's the blame PE bro. That's, that's like the, that's like the one that's like the defining thing of Yeah. Beginning of our friendship.

The defining moment was, I dunno if y'all remember what was it? It was the NBA Live, one of the music, the nba it had to be oh two or oh three. Whatever. Somebody got a block, what is it called? Swat cam. Swat cam. Oh, swat cam. Show the swat cam. [00:04:00] I remember swat cam. We would play swat cam and so like we'd be playing it every time we'd get a block or something.

Swat cam corn. Y'all real, y'all really know each other right. Deep in the game. And Mikes wear Kobe jersey every day. And I still got that jersey to this day. Oh my gosh. The number eight jersey too, not that. Yeah. Oh, not the post. Situational jersey not. Yeah, that's what we called it. It's the situation.

We'll talk about that. But yeah, man, it's just high school. And then we took, we had, look at HIAs. We didn't really talk a whole lot on the first year of college. Mm-hmm. But they were like, we reconnect because I guess it was just meant to be or whatever. And then yeah, man, just with, with college that you all had, yeah.

Mills Tech. Okay. Ain't that wrong. That's college. No, I went to UFC Sumter. Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So at least y'all still stayed, you know, friends, that's how I was trying to figure out y'all history because I'm like, they got a podcast together, but like, how do they even know each other? I'm like, are they related?

Like might as well. There was a couple years, but we were like real, not distant, but we just weren't. It's like we was aware of each other like that. Yeah. Yeah. At all. He was hanging around with some choice friends. I was hanging choice friends. See that ain't somebody that you [00:05:00] know, they telling you call you.

Yeah. Yeah. Call wrong. I'm not in jail or anything. Oh Lord Jesus. But no man, it's, that's good to hear. You're not in jail I you out here at the free world with the rest of us. I'm happy to hear it up. But you guys are true creatives. So like how do you guys curate this space for creatives, like in the community?

I like the way that you're bringing people together with cultivated ignorance, but how do you, how did you form that? That's a him question. That's a him question. He's an art curate guy. You, that's directly towards you. I don't curate very much in my language, I dunno. Will considers himself a creative. I know that he is just open to discussions with creatives and stuff.

Mm-hmm. And that's where our dynamic, lies is my head is always in the clouds. Will is like a very realist, like he can bring me back down to earth, but sometimes I don't wanna be down nowhere. I'm gonna go back in the clouds. But I think what coach had ignorance is just being open to the dialogue of different perspectives.

 We've never been to podcast, to just do a show, just to do a show. Just reviews or for clout. Any guests we've had, like we wanted to have a unique conversation. Or something that even if it wasn't a unique [00:06:00] conversation, that someone that just wasn't being talked about enough. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Like especially when it comes to like men's sensuality or sex work. Like mm-hmm. For, for like straight men to be talking about sex work. Mm-hmm. As a conversation. Get real gross, real quick. And I think we had some really good discussion on that. We talked about Afro pessimism, like me, and we'll go back and forth all the time about abolition cuz he knows that.

Nah, we're, we're good on that. Oh Lord, this is serious. I'm saying it's just you would enjoy their podcast, on Omar. You would like their topics. I can already tell. Yeah, I think you would. I'm gonna have to put y'all on my podcast. What's in? Cause I get to listen to stuff, you know, I listened to y'all stuff here and there, but I haven't ran through a whole season yet.

Yeah. Oh man. But yeah, I'm gonna have to run through the season, just going through it. I think that's what was the best episode to you guys. For on cultivate ignorance that people should tune into. Okay. So for education, it definitely has to be the one with Frank on Afro Pessimism. Yeah. Mm-hmm. What's his last name?

Mike. Dr. Frank. Greg Willerson. Willerson. Yeah. Yeah. It was highly informative for sure. I've never felt [00:07:00] so dumb. He's a professor at what, UCLA or something like that? Yeah, no, somewhere in New York, man. Oh, New York, okay. I believe. But don't let me use incredibly smart, incredibly open your eyes to so much stuff.

God, we've had some real funny episodes too though. But I think. Because, so let's just say for me it would probably be the Manosphere episode with Fe, the Sin Signifier. Fd Signifier. Oh my God. Oh god. Fun. Look at, look Up fd. He's blown up over the last year. What's his name? FD Signifier. Okay. Look him up immediately.

This guy is amazing. He's doing God's work. We did an episode about the Mane. Do y'all know what the manse is? Mm-hmm. Yep. I know what that, I heard about that thing. You know, so you can watch out Fudge. Say it again. Yes. It's a hot mess. It's a hot mess. Basically just this male, like super toxic woman of supposed that's supposed, is that like a mindset fair project?

Yeah, basically it's like a movement of establishing your dominance over woman and it's like fresher fit. You ever seen fresh and fit podcasts? Yes, actually I have. Oh my God, that's It's real man of spirit stuff. Yeah. You've [00:08:00] experienced it. Oh gosh, that is so crazy cuz I have seen that and I've, I've listened to them and I'm like, I don't agree with none of this shit.

They saying, I really don't like Myron Myron's. Aron locked up. I don't believe in prisons, but Myron might need to be locked up. I don't know. Oh my Lord. Jesus. Oh my god. We had episode with feet. That's why we, our most viewed episode on YouTube, which was. And it was so perfect cuz he was just about to go into his whole mane, thing and we caught him just before he did it.

Mm-hmm. Great. So he gotta just explore all his ideas freely and just not give her a damn about what he was gonna say. That was like my favorite. Between that and probably Uman, I don't know if y'all know her, she's a sex coach. We're fine. Tough ums. Just having a conversation. Be honest. I'm sorry I lost, at least be honest.

He like thinking and visualizing back that second, that was great too. I don't know if you had any other ones. I was about to look through the list, but I didn't want to I didn't want to get distracted, but all of them have been great. Yeah. So what is it like like being on a podcast and creating your own topics and bring your own people in?

Have you guys [00:09:00] learned a lot from it? I've just, I've just learned to talk to different people about just the most random things. Yeah. You, you, you'd be surprised what you can learn from somebody about one thing that they're completely not on there for. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? So that's always been probably the, the best part of it.

Just, it's like a surprise having a conversation. Yeah, absolutely. You never really know what you have in common with somebody until you have a conversation. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And even in reverse, like I would say my favorite part, of course, meeting different people and having conversations, but. Learning how much like me and will have diverged Yeah.

Mentally completely from one another. Yeah. From from where we started this podcast, we've definitely gone down two roads. We, we definitely split off at the fork for sure, but there's that mutual aspect there still and there's always that willingness to see the other side of things. Gotcha. Like even if it fights against everything.

Cause I know stuff I'd be saying like, fights against everything Will has. Built into his like, foundation in this world. But but even still I see where he's coming from too. And just doing, being able to do that with your, you know, your best [00:10:00] friend and, and being able to look back on previous episodes to see the stuff we were talking about before.

Mm-hmm. And then having different guests on it, that changed our minds as well. That's just good man. And I love being able to just curate our own cuz the internet, we don't be on that social media a whole lot cause Yeah, that's probably why our promotion is so sucky. I will say that. Cause we don't be on these social media streets a lot cause it's just too much.

Yeah, it's trash. Some of the stuff's trash. It's trash, you gotta be riding around in the trash street. But it's, that's, that's where the thorough fair is. That's where everybody moves through. Yeah. So you gotta get in it. But no, it's, it's cool hearing y'all's perspective because since you all have such a long history with each other, and like you said, you grow up.

You, you all have, like I said, you, you have certain divergence on certain things and you grow, but you, it doesn't forced you all apart though. It hasn't forced you Yeah. To, to, to try to leave one or the other, et cetera. And I think. Your audience. I know they probably really respect that. Yeah. Y'all true.

Cause it allows them You're being true. Y'all true. Yeah. Every episode y'all true. Y'all don't sugarcoat nothing. Y'all literally go into our next question. Being your authentic self[00:11:00] refers to acting in a way that shows your true self and how you feel with having a brand. How is it important for you to show up as your true, authentic self and represent that?

I don't know. For me, that is the brand. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. If you not being. Who you, who you actually are. Like people can see through that. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? And I think it's extremely important. I, I don't know, like I'm one of those people who really doesn't, I'm really not progressive like that.

What do you mean by progressive? Okay, see, this is where I see, this is where I be wanting to hold my tongue. Be your authentic self. Be your authentic self. I wanna see your, I'm always teetering on cancel, but don't walk on. No eggshells over here. Like I'm, I'm not, comfortable with trans people and things like that.

Not comfortable in a ill kind of way, but just not used to seeing it. Yeah. So it's hard to express those things Yeah. While being on the internet cuz you think you're just gonna get canceled. Yeah. Yeah. But I feel like it's almost my duty to, to stay true to that. Because.

Throughout the course of the podcast, I've definitely learned. Mm-hmm. And [00:12:00] become more comfortable with certain subjects and things like that. But also I wanna make sure people know that it's okay to not be okay. Not, not necessarily okay, but just not like super comfortable at first when you experienced something like growing up here in the south.

Yeah. Yeah. You can't, yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah. Like we weren't exposed to that until like Exactly. You would be in authentic. Literally we got older as if, yeah. You were extremely ready to. Yeah. And exceed, receive and be receptive too. It wouldn't make sense, but it's all about learning from people and mm-hmm.

Just trying to be more accepting of different things. Mm-hmm. You know? But it's okay. Like in the south we don't, in, in the south we don't talk about a lot of shit. No, we don't. No, we don't. And African American community. Exactly. That's a whole nother stigma that we were talking about, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We don't, we, we, we, we have a hard time of dealing with things that aren't. How would you say that? Don't put us in the, the normal light of the world. Yeah. Anything that throws you on the outside will run away from or put sheets on it. [00:13:00] Very. But you'll get there eventually. Yeah, we'll get there eventually there.

I think it's getting, I think it's getting better cuz it has to, it, it definitely is getting better choice. I keep saying that. Especially with, cuz what you, what you just said, like a lot of people wouldn't say that. They wouldn't admit that they're uncomfortable around trans people, right? Yeah.

I think about the mental health of most content creators, cuz most people to get on have to play that part of I agree with the masses. Mm-hmm. Or it's gotta be so far opposite that it's gonna be like spicy. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's how you sell it. But that goes right into the next question have you ever had to abandon your true self or how you feel for the bigger purpose?

Do you want as far as podcasting or just Yeah, in general. Have you had to, have you ever had to like, sugarcoat how you feel about something to sell them? Sell to sell it, sell? Yeah. I've, I've had to probably tone down my state. Okay. Okay. Talk about it. I've gotta tone it down a little bit, you know.

But no, I'm never like really abandoned. My true self good. Yeah. That's just what put, that's some sucker shit. I'll put y'all. So y'all know little Richard back in the day. You know he's a little [00:14:00] Richard, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. He can't hide that, right? His band members, they would go on stage with him before they got, he was like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

What do I remember watching this movie and reading about it? Cause I would see this is real. He was like, y'all got makeup on? And they'd be like, no. I need y'all to put y'all makeup on. And he, they be like, wait, what's, what's wrong with you? Why you want us to put on makeup? Why you supposed you can wear makeup?

Why we gotta wear makeup? He said, y'all wanna get paid, right? And they were like, yeah. Then y'all gonna get pretty before y'all go out there on that stage. That's a question. Yeah. And that they blew my mind and I was thinking about it. I was like, they had to abandon themselves a little bit mm-hmm. To go out there and make that money.

They, I used to be scared of him as a child. I know. Legit. It was like into the older, I used to be scared of him cuz it was just too much for me. We did get the the super plastic surgery Little Richard when we, by the time we was like, you didn't get regular. Richard didn't get, yeah. He was always, you know, Good looking person, but like when he had outta the plastic surgery Yeah, that was, it was a lot going on.

Yeah. It came out looking crazy. But to, I wanna say to that point I was just thinking about this cuz my birthday's coming up next week. I was thinking about like life in your early twenties. [00:15:00] I dt know if y'all can relate to this life in my early twenties versus in our thirties. Yeah, I feel so, so much my twenties and teen in teenage years.

I was like performing so much for other people like bro constantly. I agree. Like especially if you in a relationship. Yeah. What she gonna think about this? What am you might sell your soul, you might just sell your soul. You quiet. That's how they be catching them. Little kids. Go ahead. But since I hit my thirties, especially now like mid thirties, like I feel so comfortable in myself.

Like as far as just saying how I feel, I've had friends like say yo, you, I dunno if you should be saying all that on the podcast cause you know, your job might hear or whatever like that. And I'm not saying anything like, I don't think I'm saying anything like super outrageous, but like I'm at the point where if I get punished for saying how I feel, that's how I feel about Will you know, saying how he feels.

Like I will never, I might, you know, call out something that I think is problematic or something, but like I will never be like, don't say that shit. Mm. Yeah. Yeah. Because I feel like you just gotta be unto yourself. Yeah. And it just feels so much better. Mm-hmm. And that's the problem with the world is right now people just sugarcoat and everything.

That's why these kids we're a real conversation. Yeah. That's why these kids scared to talk everybody. Yeah. Actors. And what [00:16:00] happens when, when the, I always like to say this, what happens when you leave the stage or they turn the lights off? This is what I'm saying now. You don't even know your true self.

Exactly. Like how you gonna find your true self or know your true self if you over here lying to yourself. Yeah. I especially feel for that and you know, shout out to woman. Of course I know, I know woman be going through it. But especially with men, like as far as being a man. Mm-hmm. I dunno how much we perform all the time.

Yeah. Like constant performing masculinity all the time. Mm-hmm. And how much that kills us inside And that hurts women in return too. Cuz now we just acting hypermasculine and it's, it's just not helping nobody. It's not, nah, I, I, I like this point you're talking cause we, wait, we had a, having a we were in podcast, recording podcast and we got on this topic last, this is in, when we were in in Greensville, we were talking about, the need for a man to be a specific type of man.

Yes. In order to. Please the woman and also what the woman needs from a man and her wanting to also be in a position of power and influence. Mm-hmm. Over the man. Mm-hmm. And [00:17:00] how we've created this weird dichotomy now because of these spaces that we're in especially with with social spaces, spaces, and the fact that you have so many voices speaking on these things.

I don't think anybody knows how to be a man or a woman anymore. We just all fucked up. Yeah. I really don't, we all messed up, like we jacked up right now. I don't think Who you wanna be today? Yeah. What do you wanna be today? You wanna operate out your masculine, masculine or your feminine side? Yeah. Which one?

I mean I think part of it is the freedom of just doing whatever feels right. I think that's good. I think, I think in in the like social. What society tells you should be a what should be a man or should be a woman. I think that's what fucks people up. Yeah. I think just doing whatever feels good is the good thing to do.

Mm-hmm. I think sometimes some, sometimes people think that's like people being confused, but that's just people, everybody's just trying to figure out everything on a regular basis anyway. Mm-hmm. So I think just doing whatever feels good is the thing to do when it comes to that. I agree with you on that.

I really do. I, I was, I was having a conversation with my wife about that. The fact that I, I don't care. I don't care any of the mechanisms, [00:18:00] thought designs that go into what you're doing, does it hurt you when you're doing it right? That's my thing. If if you're feeling some kind of pain or discomfort when you're doing whatever you're doing or acting the way you're acting, whether it be in public or private, maybe you should rethink it and do the thing that makes you feel good, right?

So as long as you aren't hurting anybody, that's my big caveat. As long as you aren't hurting or taken away from anybody else in order to be yourself. Then cool. I have no issues with it. Like people say, if you like it, I love it man. For sure there's some more of it, but outside of that, I know that's something, especially being a podcaster, and I know you all know this, we want people to listen to our podcast.

You don't want it, it, you don't make it so that it just sits out there and in the another world, regions of the internet and dies. Mm-hmm. You want people to pick it up. So have you ever, have you all, as podcasters had to have issues with keeping an audience. Based on what content you're putting out and the topics that you're discussing and et cetera.

And then do you ever [00:19:00] tend to sway your topics or your discussion in order to bring in more viewership? So my feeling is the people who gonna listen to, people who gonna listen facts. Mm-hmm. Now we could do better with social media. We need to hire somebody. We need to hire one of y'all. But Man, I think we've, in the past we've definitely done certain topics to try and get plays or whatever.

Mm-hmm. But damn, like the older we get, the worse it feels. It feels horrible. Like we've been on like little mini sabbaticals lately because like we just find that there's nothing to talk about. Cuz we do a decent amount of current event stuff. But if it's like. If it's not gonna push the conversation forward at all.

Mm-hmm. What's the what's the point? What are we doing? Yeah, exactly. Like I think we talked about Dave Chappelle, and this is where, this is where our show took a sabbatical. We talked about Dave Chappelle for three straight episodes. Shut up about him, like being like fucked up towards trans people or whatever.

And him not caring about what he said. Three episodes. That's way too [00:20:00] much for one man entirely too much. Do you ever feel like that's a good question. All right. I, I like this. I like this because, all right, so I'm gonna follow certain podcasts, et cetera, and they have the same issue. Like, all right.

Is there ever a time where you feel like they say you're beating a dead horse, you just gotta stop? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. That's exactly how we put that episode, those serious episodes. Cause it was like, cause I think what it was is like, Dave, You just like a lot of people, everybody's in here is millennials.

That was one of our favorite comedians growing up. Yeah. Chappel show. Like rocked everybody's high school. Yeah. Come on, come on. Turn it upside down. So to see somebody who literally quit show business because he said that he felt like he was being laughed at and not laughed with anymore.

Mm-hmm. And then to come back and do that to like trans and gay people and they're saying like, we're not laughing with you. We're you're laughing at us. Us, yeah. And him like, nah. That was just like such a wow. It's but you just said this. Yeah. Same thing said this. Now you just contradicted yourself.

Yeah. Yeah. But we also knew that that's what everybody was talking about. Cause that's when the closer came out. That was when the other, you know, [00:21:00] Netflix specials came out. So we felt like it was gonna be relevant to the audience and people were listening, but we felt like it was like, ugh. It didn't feel right.

It didn't feel good. So what, like at what point were we still driving the conversation for he's just being rude yeah. And, and do, do you think there's ever a, and I like that, that you all bought this up. Do you think there's a time where, and I don't know if you consider it being morality, but do you do, do you stop that movement and stop pressing that point on that person?

Because, not just because it's good, it makes you feel better not to do but because it's in the best interest of the community at hand. Hmm. Such as with stuff with the, the guy that they call. Yay. Now, like it's just a good decision not to, to to promote it. Oh yeah. At all. Just leave it alone where it is and let it die instead of, I don't know if we've ever made a conscious decision to not talk about somebody because I.

No, we definitely made a con not to talk, not to talk about Yay or Kanye, whatever the fuck did we Yeah, you did said when you was like, we knock on talk about it. I [00:22:00] listened to the episode. We not gonna bring him up. I don't remember that. Yeah, I got the worst memory of all time. That's bad. It was like, this is like peak.

He was like doing the wild stuff, like pulling up at the birthday party on Friday. Oh, I do remember that. We was like, nah, we not. Absolutely not. There's a point, you just gotta lit it. But I'm so glad you asked that question cause that's exactly what I feel about. Not to make this conversation about Yay, but that's what I feel like keeps happening, is people say they want to help him, but they keep putting him in front of a microphone in the camera.

He don't need that. He can find his own. If you really want one, how are you trying to help somebody? He need a therapist. You getting exactly it, but he don't want whatever. So let him do whatever. Yeah. Y'all can't help this man by giving this man a, a public platform every time you quote unquote wanna help him.

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Definitely for the good of the community and that particular person. Yeah. It's good not to continue to, because this, this is the thing I know it, it's, there's easier access, and this is cool having you all on podcasts, talking about podcasts, but mm-hmm. It's, it's, there's easier access now than there ever was to create and produce Oh, yeah.

Content. Oh [00:23:00] yeah. Back in the day, if we were doing what we were doing, we'd be in a radio station right now having to pay radio money to have a radio board with radio mics doing radio things, right? Mm-hmm. You don't have to do that now, and the freedom that comes with that is amazing. It's immense and allows you, for instance, if we want to shine a light on something that was happening in our community that needs that light on it, we can do it.

But with that being said, we're still human. We're still affected by things on the outside. So those big. Contrasting events we still want to cover and have a need to have some kind of coverage for it in the sense of letting our folks know how we think about it. Cuz they care and they wanna know your opinions and your thoughts about it.

Yeah. But I always like to tell, and, and Kevin and I, we speak with that Skip, we say, Hey, there's a certain point where, eh, I'll talk about it in closed doors, but I don't need, need to keep proselytizing it and bring it out for other folks to understand or, or try to have some understanding for me that I can't really give them.

Yeah. Like I don't put. Those conversations on Facebook. Cause I don't really care about anybody's opinion on Facebook. No. So it's good to have a it's good to have a podcast. I'm here to talk [00:24:00] and disappear. Yeah, because pod on Facebook people just ranting and projecting and it's just okay, are you even really thinking clearly what your typing?

Yeah. Man. Why are you typing all of this? You have a free platform. You can start a podcast. I tell everybody to start podcasting. Yeah. So it's came to me work. They said, Hey, I about, I said, Start a podcast. Yeah, it's a what I'm Start a podcast. You like to talk so much. Get out. You like to talk so much. Go ahead.

Let's see what you about. Let's see what it's, you about to fight. You wanna see what Bring yourself over here? Nah, that's the, even though I don't, I mean I think everybody should be able to start a podcast. I don't, I don't listen to everybody's podcast cause Yep. That'd be a lot too. It's too much as i e fresh and fit, but That's a good one.

Yeah, that's jam. That's my jamer. You like you be watching all the fresher fit. Yeah. Yeah. With all the ladies. All the ladies. Yeah. Which hold, which one is the one I don't said fresh. This is not even lion. It's fresh. That's, yeah, fresh. The one who looks like he does not get any girls. Be lying. The story came, ID just be laughing about girls.

Yeah. The story came up. The girls that they'd be like setting up for this [00:25:00] stuff and I'd be like, You're really about the fall for this. Like they just can't promote themselves. That's what it is. They say what they say. No. There's no such thing as bad promotion. Yeah. You know, I never subscribe to that.

You don't subscribe to that. You think there's such thing as bad promotion? If I get notoriety for being a alleged pedophile, is that not bad promotion? You know what a good, yeah, you're right. We, we were on somebody else's podcast. You right. Podcast. Mm-hmm. Shout out, preach Jacobs. Yeah. And we were talking about maps.

Mm-hmm. You know what a map is. What do you mean? Google map? Oh, you said same thing. I didn't know what it was either. Mess people up. Cause they're like, whatcha you talking about man? It's a, it's a minor attracted persons. What? This is a real thing They got straight up. Why? They got people like, look, y'all know how y'all for it look, because they're trying to, they're trying to change the conversation around this.

So they have straight up university professors writing about why it's good for people to be minor, attractive persons and how it's, nobody's good for people. Yes. I had to go read this man's writing and I was like, yo, he's crazy. He has a whole book. There's a book. There's a book. What's the name of book?

I need to, I'm [00:26:00] give you that book so you can, cause I have seen something like this on TEDx of discussions around like pedophilia and I'm seeing what's happening and it's it's interesting to me that it's happening now of all times. Yeah. When, when you wouldn't think something like that would be.

You wouldn't think you'd be able to get something like that and place it out there in public. It would seem like people would pile on and destroy it. Mm-hmm. But they don't. Instead of you start to see it start coming up. And I think I'm like, though, this is a, but isn't that part of the problem with pedophilia?

Like people don't talk about like even people who like are sick. It's a good question. Yeah. PE people, even people who are sick and know they're attracted to little people. Yep. But you don't want to act on it. Act on it. What are your avenues? That's what I was saying to get helpful. You either, you either go into jail, Somebody's gonna kill you.

That's what it looks like. You never act Cause you can't act on it. Yeah. Yeah. Because you can't act on it. And if not, then you're just gonna stay locked in whatever situation you are in and start having some kind of mental break breakdown. Yeah. So that's what the TEDx was about, was how do we [00:27:00] deal with it, like Will said.

Mm-hmm. But again, it's like such a thin line and not to make this whole thing, but you know, when anything primarily benefits white people, shit can get outta control real fast. Oh. Oh. Oh, I like that point you just made. That's what, cause like we, we were having like a back and forth about that.

Will was saying like he didn't like how I don't, I don't wanna take your words. You, you were talking about how L G B T Q black folks were getting certain recognition. Mm-hmm. And you said in relation to black people in general. And I was telling you that it's cause of their relationship. Of course you don't remember now that I'm talking about bro.

He just said that he don't got the best memory. Yeah, he said he don't, he was talking about he felt like lgbtq plus black folks were getting more reco representation than black people. And I said there's, you know, it's black, you know, LGBTQ plus I see what you're saying. I, I, and he was like what did you say?

It seems like they're getting more, you know, attention to stuff that we've been asking for for straight black people than been getting years. Yeah, because L G B LGBT is affected by white, white post. That's what I was saying. Yeah. Because queerness affects white people. Exactly. Of course it's gonna be putting pedestal.

Yeah. Blackness just affects black people. That's what I'm [00:28:00] saying. Mm-hmm. So with this whole pedophilia thing, of course, if it's gonna primarily benefit like white pedophiles, like of course it's gonna be pushed a certain way. And we already know this you know, all wild gross shit happened behind the scenes with the whole Epstein shit.

Like they exposed, all that stuff happened a long time ago. I can see it getting outta control real quick. But also like I, if it's a mental health issue with pedophiles, I wanna be able to help people like that and they can't. But in order to do that, you have to be able to identify yourself. So you can't just, that's what I'm saying.

Exactly. Yeah. So we can't just lock 'em up or kill 'em. No, you can't. And that's a good point, man. Yeah. Can I ask a quick question before we move on? Speak. Okay. So we talking about how, I guess whiteness pushes things forward, right? Yes. Basically how y'all feel about this pill epidemic. Oh, it does. The opioid epidemic.

Again, cause I'm fine with these white people burning. Say it again like this. The point this, that point you making. I'm with all of them getting addicted. I'm not gonna lie to you. Hey man, I remember the whole, I remember how we was treated during crack, so I'm gonna say, Y'all are so funny. Don't, ain't like this in something new.

Y'all are so ain't funny. Ain't new. It ain't nothing new. But you're right. [00:29:00] Like seriously, get some of y'all, y'all get some look. You gotta get some of them just deserves. Y'all was pushing crap. That's karma in that neighborhood. Plus karma. And now y'all got a new thing and we don't even push this.

Yeah. Pharmaceutical companies push this Pfizer. Pushes this. There ain't us, we ain't pushing this. But yeah, you're dealing with the effects of it right now. And, and I will say, I, I, I agree with you on this point. I, one thing I hate, I hate this, people don't, I know people ain't gonna like this. This is uncommon.

This be a cancel podcast. This is be your last podcast. Nah, you watch out on this one. But one thing I don't like and I, I don't agree and I don't like the idea and this whole thing created about having, cultural crossover points. I hate that what you mean because, all right, so what I see is this whole thing about, all right, so black L G B T are gonna get more rights than black people.

And the reason why is because of course, white folks can identify with the L G B T side of it. So when it comes to that issue, if you go out and you have an issue, you meant let 'em know you can be black, but you let 'em know, Hey, I'm gay first, gay one B, B two, you know what I'm saying? So [00:30:00] they're gay first or black second.

And the reason why it's so important is because politically it allows them to have access. To certain things. Yes. And it's a real thing. So even for, for black women, right? Hold your black blackness to the side, be a female first. Now you got a bunch of women, white women allies. Those white women allies are now able to push you and open up access to doors that you weren't able to get to because of your blackness that was holding you back.

And that sucks because then at the end of the day, what it does is it, it forces you, in my opinion, this is what I've just from. Paying attention to stuff. Being a part of certain social justice warrior situations marching with the white folks in the street. I used to lay on the ground in the darkness with 'em and I used to do all this stuff.

Kevin tell you, so this I'm speaking from straight up. He used to lay, yeah, I'm one of them people. I used to be rainbow flagging and hard, right? It's one thing I started to realize it kept hitting me beside the head is if I ever step up and I just say, Hey, as a black person, it's quiet. Room get quiet and I'm like, I thought y'all were my allies.

All the allies depart and they run the other way. But when you standing up for their rights, [00:31:00] a anything where we cross, quote unquote have a cultural crossing point, then it's cool. And I'm like, no, but there's sometimes when we aren't gonna cross over, I still need you to value me as a human. Mm-hmm. That stuff drops.

And that's the part that I'm like, okay, I can't vibe with this anymore. It doesn't work. Like I told Kevin, I said, I can't do any more S J W stuff right now. I don't do that no more. And he was like, why? Because. There's no, there's no winning game for anybody actually in that space. What you should be doing is just supporting people and valuing them as humans.

Mm-hmm. Then we can start moving. Cause I can get with that because there's no point where you're gonna say just because you're this or that, I'm gonna give you more of a seat at the table. I'm gonna give you better access. I don't want that. I want access because I'm a human and that's one of the things I've been dealing with.

It's a weird situation. That's a good topic. I think that, Ooh, see I got so many thoughts on that. I know you would. I dunno how much time we got. You got a little bit of time. We probably, we probably got, we probably got a good five minutes. Good five minutes. Okay. I'll be quick. I see what you're saying. I do think you're being swayed by the commodification of [00:32:00] activism.

Mm-hmm. Whatever space it is. Mm-hmm. Because all anything that's for the people is gonna be politicized and commodified instantly. Exactly. So I think you're being swayed by like how America treats the social, you know, social justice movements. Mm-hmm. I think if you stay with the people like the on the ground.

Cause the queer people I, I'm in community with want the best for you. Just like they want the best for them. Mm-hmm. But they do realize that equity has to be a thing because we can say we just want like humans to be better, but certain people need certain things more than other people. Yeah.

Like some resources. That's what I'm saying. It's man, we, we don't really worry about. Going to a club by ourselves, like being touched up by somebody like that. We don't really worry about that, but I'm sure a lot of women don't have to worry about stuff like that. So like we need to specifically address women in certain spaces, like about that thing, right?

Mm-hmm. We can't just say we want all humans to have a great experience at the club. Cause people didn't need different things. So I think you just, if you stay with the people and not get swayed by the social media, the, the commercialized commercial commercialization of these movements. Mm-hmm. I think you can still say I wanna do something for, specifically for black queer [00:33:00] people.

Mm-hmm. And not feel the way that you're feeling right now. And I think that's what we have to do. Cuz again, you'll let me, America will mess you up so bad the way you don't wanna support nobody, right? Yeah. It doesn't, it does. It feels like your energy is, this is my, it's just like the energy is being stolen.

And not and not redistribute it. Mm-hmm. That's what it does. Exactly. It sucks you dry like a, like I can't give you none of that. I can't give you no energy on it. You can say the same exact thing about the Black Lives Matter movement cuz like we all, I'm sure everybody was, but that's why I never followed it.

But that's what I'm saying. See what I'm saying? Cause it's a S J W movement. I don't follow social justice warriors. But do you still believe black matter? Follow Uhuh? I follow, I follow humanity. Humanity matters, but, but black doesn't matter in your mind specifically. No, but every life matters.

That's my thing. I'm, I got to the point where it broke me like that cracked. Mm-hmm. I was just like, mm. Nah, because what I realized is it's all still a hustle. Mm-hmm. Because I don't want to play in the zero sum game. Mm-hmm. I don't think one man has to lose for me to win. And that's another thing that's a hard thing to wrap your mind around.

It'll [00:34:00] crack again, cracking the structure on things. I'm like, mm-hmm. I'm not gonna do it. I, I just don't wanna do it anymore because I realize it takes so much energy out to do it. Mm-hmm. I'd rather just take it and put it towards just a general, general aspect of, of cheating humanity. Correct. Oh, love.

It almost gets, it almost gets to Buddhism love. That's the point I love with Buddhism. Yeah. That's, that's my issue. It gets to that point where you're just like, okay. All right. Because as, as, as soon as I start, like I said, we, we commodification and, and soloing things out and putting it into sections.

I could take my time to make sure I give this child more care because I see that the child is in need of more care. I'm not going to commod it. I'm not gonna take it and say, this is, this is this, this is child A, B, C. Yeah. 1 23 and this child's, no, it's, I see that the child is in need something to give it need.

Gotcha, gotcha. And it's weird because it took me a long time to get this point. Not that I'm right because I know I will, my perspective's gonna change in probably six months. No, but I feel you though. Yes, I'm with you on the, the Buddhist, especially the spirituality tip, it has to be a point. Cause at the end of the day, these are all just identities we [00:35:00] just put on ourselves.

Yeah. Avatars. But that's, that is the key to the spiritual liberation. It's the shed, all that shit. The black shit, the, the male shit, whatever. Put all that to the side and just be like, what am my spirit? You are human being, having a, you are being having a human experience. Experience. Yeah. Yeah. So I get what you're saying when you put it in context.

I, I feel what you're saying. Mm-hmm. I just don't want America to make you. Yeah. I don't want, here's the thing, and I don't want to discount anybody's experience either, and that's part of understanding that. I'm not, I'm not trying to tell somebody that their experience is not worth it or that what they're going through doesn't matter.

Yeah. I'm telling you, I'm gonna help you despite your experience. Gotcha, gotcha. I don't, you don't even have to tell me what this, what you need. Sometimes you gotta leave people, you gotta leave people where they're at. Mm-hmm. You know? That's true. That's true. So sometimes you gotta get down in the muds.

But back to what we were talking about real quick and we'll keep moving in. Alright. So that book that we were talking about, it's called is Alan Walker. This Person's, they are a trans profe, a trans professor. I believe this is their professor, let me see what's school. I think it's in DC or Washington, but the name of the book is called A Long Dark Shadow and the reason why the [00:36:00] person did this, and this is why I like that you said they made the book because, or wrote the book because they want people who are experiencing no I those issues to not run away or hide themselves because then you can't get assistance.

I believe that Old Dominion. Yep. Old Dominion. And so the professor had to end up actually quitting because this motherfucker was about to kill a as. Yeah, you already know it because they subscribed to being like a, A minor, attractive person. Yeah. Okay. I gotta read this book. I gotta read this book. You gotta read that book, man.

You gotta go read that book. But it is, it's interesting because like you said, when you talk, talk about being your authentic self. This person's trying to be they authentic self. Yeah. And they getting smacked in the face with being authentic and they went through all that. Look, look at, yeah, no, that's what I'm saying.

I've been wondering to have this conversation, but I, I, I've, I will admit I've been held, held back from maybe wanting to do it on the podcast, cuz I know people ain't ready to. Talk about it. Yeah. Like it's a hard, you don't sound like sickos, like off off the roof. Yeah, yeah. No, you, you have a daughter that's, yeah.

It's a weird conversation. Cause I remember we were having this conversation, our previous podcast. She said, what are you talking about? That's what I'm saying, bro, you think I'm lying? He said, [00:37:00] you gotta be joking. Nah, this real, this drill. This what black people. Yes. You know, we don't play with that.

You know, we don't play with that. This might get our, the most views. Episode we'll keep y'all posted everything they was talking about. Everything. Oh goodness. But into, into something a little bit more lighthearted, man. You like Bell Hooks? I love Bell Hooks. Can you tell the audience about Bell Hooks and who Bell Hooks is?

Oh man. If you don't know, bell Hooks was, look her up. Amazing feminist. She actually passed away. It'll be year ago on December 15th. A matter of fact, that's true. Black feminist so many good books. All about Love is actually my Bible actually. Ah, I've given that book. I've literally bought that book so many times and given it away every single time I get the chance.

Really. Cuz I'm a, if you know, will tell you I'm all about love in general. All about love is like definitely how we get, just get back to ourselves. Just stable community. Actual community. Mm-hmm. We say the word community a lot, but I don't think people be meaning that. But just how to love yourself and others.

Other ones teaching the transgress. Talking about being like radical in the classroom. Mm. Every man should definitely read the will to change which I'm sure most men have heard about by now. But the will to change, I will say cuz [00:38:00] people, you know, a lot of people hate, like the hate feminists, especially the men, like the hate feminists.

Yes. Bell Hooks was probably the most male graceful, like feminists of all time, most balance. Most balanced. Like she has written, she's the only feminist I've known, has written a whole book just about men and how treat men better. Mm-hmm. So they can treat everyone better in return. Speak on it. That's how I feel people.

Yeah. Just like I said, beautiful, beautiful woman. If nothing else, check out those books I mentioned, but if you ain't got time to read, she had, she did a series on YouTube. It was really at this university in New York called The New School. Mm-hmm. It's a series of talks where she used to talk with different like activists and celebrities.

And those talks, like if you could just binge watch those talks, any of 'em, just type in Bell Hooks the new school, talks with Cornell West, with a Lorraine, what's the name? Laverne. What's it? Laverne Cox. The trans? Yeah. Laverne Cox. Mm-hmm. Queer artists. Just social, like community organizers, like anybody you can think of.

Mm-hmm. Just a series of beautiful talks that she did before she passed away. And just check those out, man. Just watch. Just listen to her words. I wish she ain't always right. [00:39:00] She had some, it's a perspective though, and I like that perspective. Yeah, I like that. The per perspective, that's what you're looking at it for.

And that's, like I said, it's man, woman. Anybody else just check out bell hooks, man. She's, she's phenomenal. What do you guys have coming up? We know your birthday is next week, so early birthday lit. I, I said y'all having a paintball session? Yes, yes. We playing paintball. We I don't have a elaborate dinner that I invited too many people to Uhuh.

Probably do something later at night. I don't know where all these people gonna fit. I dunno. It's the smallest restaurant. Yeah. They going be outside in the cold. I'm gonna say where y gonna be. I'm gonna show up too. It's gonna be I don't put on put Do not in general. We finally getting back on track with the podcast cause I, we kept taking these sabbaticals cuz we felt like we didn't have anything productive to talk about.

I personally have an artist collector called New Grove. Mm. Where it's all about sustaining artists basically. And I started a series where we're giving free therapy to artists, basically. Hmm. With my good friend Jay Little, forward counseling, definitely come up, forward counseling Jay Zachary Little, we do a whole dinner and then we have a whole group therapy session, and then people have the [00:40:00] chance to link up with him personally, which people have, which I'm so happy about that people have linked up with him to our personal sessions for 1 0 1.

Beautiful. So we are doing that all next year starting in March. So if you're interested in that, please email me at inc i nnk, 48 48 gmail.com. If you're just interested in being, like I said, completely free, you'll feed you food and just mental stability. That sounds cool. Kind of like what we doing, but on a different level, but create, that's dope.

That's the main thing I'm doing right now. What you got going on, my man? I'm going to work on Monday. Understood, understood. See, that's you're so funny. He's so right. You made Christmas presents realistic. Do y celebrate Christmas? Yeah, we celebrate. Do stuff. We don't. Is that, me spending money, is that worth a Yeah, it's, I guess I always ask people this because you know how it is nowadays, dude don't read too many books.

So y'all do Christmas. I hate celebrating holidays now. No, I just do it for the family. It's not enjoyable. Yeah. I tell people cuz like once you, once you, I tell couldn't, you know, too much? It's, it's hard to go find. No, it's a curse. [00:41:00] Yo, get the internet away from us. Let's have to go and find books.

Because like when you had to go find the information back in the day and then you learn it slowly over time. Mm-hmm. It allows you to like, Fall into it as opposed to gypsy smacking in the head with it, and then you start acting like a zealot. Yeah. So I try to act a zeal. You're so jaded. I'm like, no, you just ask yourself why?

Why am I celebrating this? Listen, I don't wanna be here. Yeah. And he can explain it and you're like, okay, I'm just here because, yeah, because. So y'all won't call me? Yeah, I'm be like, where you at? No. They gonna be like, where you at? Why did you get a call? You get a text. What's going on with you? Are you out here outta the streets?

You in a dark place are your case? Yeah. No, I'm Did you marry fine. Even the question, dude. Y'all don't even go for the food and just the, you know, nah, the food's cool. The food's cool, but first off, my family likes to celebrate sports and all this stuff and I just believe like it's all politics and I don't really don't message like football and all this stuff.

So my grandma literally thinks that's bonding. And I'm like, that's not bonding. She ain't actually what bonding was. No, my grandma's different. She just really [00:42:00] likes sports. Do you want a heavy meal of meat? And carbs. Absolutely. Yeah. No, I, every time. Absolutely. And this they don't cater to what other people eat, you know?

That's not fair. Why am I, they're not bringing no vegan options at the No I like vegan food. I like vegan food, scar skin. I, I love regular food, but it's if the majority of the food is not what I eat, why am I here? I can be that. It's not for you because your people there, your family.

Cause it's tradition. That's not a selling point for you in your family. That's not, I, I understand that, but I'm not gonna, I'll, I'll see him tomorrow. I'm not gonna sell my true, authentic self to be in a space with people that don't. You see what I'm saying? That shit. Yeah. I'm a bounce. I guess like, I guess like me, my family, we don't like, Put on no shows.

Shows for each other. Yeah. Yeah. We just, who we are. Like we loud. Yeah. Loud as hell. Ooh. We so loud, loud. Treat me all time. And we just vibe you know, the older, I call 'em the elders at this point cuz everybody over 60. Yeah. Yeah. You know, they, they still do they little thing, but the younger generation we're different.

Yeah. A couple of them sell weed. Say it [00:43:00] like we, we out here different, we just being real. So yeah. Before, before we sign off though, I do have to ask this question, and then we're gonna go ahead and get y'all outta here. I like what you just said. This is one thing I keep, keep pushing this point. You know, they about to hand the keys over to us, right?

Mm-hmm. Got the keys. They keys the keys. They got no choice. They got no choice, right? Mm-hmm. They gotta hand the keys over. Do you think? Do you think that That the world's gonna be in a good place when we got the keys to the car. Do y'all trust yourselves? That's the question I'm asking. Mistake. Go ahead.

So I don't have any hope for him. I love his take on things. I really do. I really don't. I think while we are becoming more. I guess intelligent because of the information we have access to. Mm-hmm. We're not using it properly. Mm-hmm. Like it's just splitting us part, it's intelligence part to turn into opinionation.

Yeah. Yeah. We're just being opinionated. Mm-hmm. And then like we don't have face-to-face interactions like that anymore. Pandemic social media. You just getting this real jaded In your own bubble, you only hear from the same people who believe the same things kind of thing. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [00:44:00] So nobody's really learning from each other.

We're not, I don't think as a, as the masses, like we're gonna progress forward very well at all. That is a very, that is a very interesting and positive take on that for my family. We gonna be good Y bunker. Me and mine. Yeah. Me and mine. Me gonna be straight. It's gonna be a bunking by themselves.

I'm seen my bunker together though. I hear you. What's so funny is like I, I agree with Will, but I think that in itself isn't sustainable. Mm-hmm. Because human beings will always find a way to survive, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. So I think humans will do what it takes to survive. So if we know that we're being more and more distant, having less and less I guess self-identity, less and less love for ourselves and one another, like we'll naturally train change.

If we wanna survive, we will naturally change that. Yep. So I think all this Hyper production, hyper capitalism, hyper like it's, go ahead and say it. No, it's abolish shit. And then go to love. But this is what I mean. Say I know what you gotta say. That's the truth. But when I say abo amolition, people think, just blow up the world and Yeah.

That's not that, it's not that stone age, I'm, I'm saying replace it. Replace it with something, this [00:45:00] shit, replace it with something that works. Yes, yes. This hyper production and everything, just all this material in the, in the water. All this poisons in the air and shit. It has to, we have to change. Yeah. If we survive, if we don't survive, then we won't survive.

Mm-hmm. But if we do survive, it has to be abolition in the form of just doing something else that will work and keep us sustained and in contact with one another. And. You sold me on an abolition idea. That's what I'm saying. No, you sold me. You can just hear the word to get scared. Just say yeah, they do.

I'm glad y'all broke it down cuz I was one of those people that make Yeah, you're like, abolition of what? I'm kinda worried. Nah, me on an abolition idea though. I I heard that one and I understood it when I, I was like, okay. Yeah, I get what? That, so how can people find y'all on social media? Stay in contact with you?

Subscribe follow, share? Yeah. Where do you work at Will. We're not gonna get that out. They'll call him, they gonna find him. Not gonna give that out. White. Whole lot of white conservatives, whole lot of white conservatives. You're so stupid. But you can catch the podcast. Cultivated ignorance on Instagram.

You can find it on all platforms. SoundCloud, Spotify, [00:46:00] apple title, wherever, title, title. If you literal, if you literally, I don't think we, I'm jump, doesn't me up expose everything but title, but I think if you, if you literally just Google coach, I ain't proud of this. If you just Google Coach podcast.

Yeah. We under not seriously y'all. You ain't gotta look for it. Y'all done broke the Google joint. Yo. For real. The algorithm's it's them. They're the only one. Aint got nothing to do with that. I lot cause of the, the, the stream listeners like, yeah. We don't promote the YouTube like we should, but like streams like the stream, the streamers be listening.

Yeah. No, seriously appreciate y'all. Yeah, y'all episodes are dope. Thank you. Tuned in. You guys, y'all I was on the episode. Yeah, go. Somebody. That was great episode with Kyla. Kyla. You know we got the same birthday. No, that was so crazy. I thought y'all planned that or something. No, no. Yeah. Me and her have the same birthday I at.

I was like, oh my gosh. That's so crazy. That's another one of my favorite episodes with y'all on it. That was a great episode. Yeah, that was great. Y'all are great man. Thank y'all for even having us on. Absolutely no problem. We love to market feels cross market. Y'all are special. Like I told Kevin, man, y'all one of the only pockets I know that just immediate [00:47:00] artists and and community members like y'all are really, really great about that.

We need to get better about that. We reached out to everybody. Yeah, but like y'all be putting Columbia, especially on the map, yo. And I love that in Toronto areas on the map and I love that. I love your people, man. You gotta rub their backs, man. For sure. Make 'em feel good about themselves. I always tell people I like hand in hand combat.

Yeah. Beating people. I know what I mean. What I mean by that, I always tell people, they're like, oh, they're confused. What's that mean? Hand can, can combat is what we were just speaking about earlier. We're like, Having interactions with people face to face. Okay. Say that next time. No, man. Sounds better say right.

Me too. I'm a street fighter, right? You, no, I'm teasing. I'm, but signing out today, man. I really enjoy having y'all today. Y'all. Absolutely. Y'all, y'all, y'all are funny. DJing. What? Tamaya here. Skip over here in the background. Yep. We want to thank the, the the host of the Cultivated Ignorance podcast for joining us today, Mr.

William Patterson. Mr. Michael Murray. I'm just a dad, man. Thank you so much. Of course. We're gonna speak with y'all again. I know we'll have some things coming up in the future and of course we will be on podcasts, so we'll get to see y'all. Hopefully y'all better have us up there. Absolutely. Thousand [00:48:00] podcast.

Absolutely. Go ahead. Tomorrow we gotta get, yeah, yeah. Excellent. Excellent. Signing out happy Saturday everybody. Be safe. Love the people you're around. Share some good food or something. Give somebody a DAP or birthday present. Thank you. Send, yeah. Yeah. Matter of fact, yeah. Send something. Yo do you gotta cash app.

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