The Hilltop Glove Podcast | Big Javo

[00:00:00] Ta-Myia: Hey everyone. Welcome back to another episode of the Hilltop Glove Podcast. Today we have the pleasure of speaking with Mr. Javin Jameson, also known as Javo. Jave is an artist entrepreneur located in Charlotte, North Carolina. Born in Orangeburg, South Carolina. He attended Calhoun County High School as well as Benedict College.

[00:00:18] Ta-Myia: As an upcoming music artist from the South, he has also a political background from working with the House of Representatives. Thank you for joining us today. How are you? I'm 

[00:00:27] Big Javo: doing good. How y'all doing this morning? Doing good. Doing 

[00:00:30] DJ And?: well, doing well. Blessed to be here. New city. , 

[00:00:32] Ta-Myia: queen City. 

[00:00:33] Skip: Oh yeah that's, that's a matter.

[00:00:34] Skip: Let's do the shout out real quick. Shout out. Oh, okay. So give a heads up. Let's do a shout out. So I just want to give shout out to Scott sla. Yes. Over at the Silent digital recording studios here in the qc for hosting us today for this amazing podcast. It's a like I said, it's a great location.

[00:00:50] Skip: Like I said, not only recorded podcast, but record, ultimately record music and, and record amazing music. Scott, he was a Season two. , amazing interview. Please go back and check it out. Amazingly [00:01:00] talented recording engineer. He has also, he has some amazing stories if you let him talk

[00:01:04] Skip: Yeah. Give 

[00:01:05] DJ And?: him time to do it. Don't rush. Yeah. Let him warm talk. Yes. Yeah. 

[00:01:08] Ta-Myia: So y'all, we in a real recording studio right now. It's the first time we've done this, 

[00:01:13] Skip: right? 

[00:01:13] DJ And?: Yeah. Oh, seriously. That's the best part of studio being too. This is the live musician side. This is one reason I wanted to come here. We got defender roads over here chilling, right?

[00:01:20] DJ And?: We got the art behind us and stuff like that. We got everything set up. You could tell this is a real deal. Holy field play. So if you're looking to record some music, especially if you, even if you're doing live music, if you have a band, you have a four or five piece band, you want to get it in, this is a place that you can get it done at locally.

[00:01:33] DJ And?: So I'm gonna shout out again to Scott Slagel. , thank you for having us today and hosting us here for the Hilltop Club podcast. 

[00:01:39] Big Javo: Nice 

[00:01:40] Ta-Myia: drop. Absolutely . But yeah, back to music. My cousin is Javo, he does music, so this worked out perfectly, is I was like, I gotta have him on the episode. And once we had that open space, I was like, is it a recording studio?

[00:01:52] Ta-Myia: He do music link plug, come on through . That's it. Absolutely. But as you guys know, he's part of my family, full disclosure. [00:02:00] Full disclosure, I'm blessed to call you family, but for those who don't know you, can you tell us about your childhood? How was it growing up in Orangeburg? And where did your love for music begin?

[00:02:07] Big Javo: Okay. As I'm born at the and Orangeburg Regional Medical Center. That's the Orangeburg Hospital down in Orangeburg. Yep. My childhood, I'm pretty much raised in all my childhood is in St. Matthews, South Carolina. Which is where Wan County High School at. But just growing up.

[00:02:21] Big Javo: . , kinda kind. Saints. That's it. . Absolutely . But just growing up I always had a love for music at a very early age. Back can, I think it was in seventh grade, we had a teach, I had a teacher name Miss Fran cuter. She taught music. Even at that young, just to realize, the details of music, how you.

[00:02:37] Big Javo: you got this section doing something, you got that section doing something, you got this per this section, doing something. And just like when it all comes together, you know what I'm saying? It's just a beautiful sound and just, it intrigued me a lot. More and more, listened to music.

[00:02:49] Big Javo: . sister really got a big part and a lot of people don't know that. My sister got a big part in my music like my music's electric. I used to listen to a lot of stuff. So I love reggae music. Dope. One. Love . I was 

[00:02:58] Ta-Myia: listening to wait, 

[00:02:59] Big Javo: reggae on the [00:03:00] way up here. Yeah. Yeah. I love reggae music.

[00:03:02] Big Javo: That's a lot of different artists and different things of that nature. Just at an early age just to hear. Different music, different stuff. And I could just, my ear just always had a good sound for good music. Like I just know what good music is. And just pretty much my love music came as a child.

[00:03:17] Big Javo: And growing up just growing up in St. Matthews, man, it really wasn't much to do. Very small town. It was in a church. Yep. . 

[00:03:25] DJ And?: That's how we start in 

[00:03:27] Big Javo: jail. Start. That's how, that's as all starts. Yep. News. We grew up in the church, Cedar, the Grow Baptist Church. Shout, shout out Searo Cedar, the Gro down in Lone Star, South Carolina Word.

[00:03:37] Big Javo: Pastor Curtis Young. Can I say this? 

[00:03:38] DJ And?: Yeah. That's our first, that's our first church drop that we've had. Y'all . Yeah. So shouts out to that. I like that. Church 

[00:03:43] Big Javo: drop. Yep, for sure. Shout out to Cedar, the Gro. But yeah, started in church, just like ta Mice said like we have people in our family that just can sing, just got voices and just, a lot of things and, That's mainly my main reason of doing this. Like my mother, she's a big singer down where we at down in St. Matthews. And just [00:04:00] my love for music. I just, I feel, entitled to go and see how far I can take it. You know what I'm saying? , because you know the opportunities that was.

[00:04:07] Big Javo: There for them. It wasn't many opportunities as we have now. True. I feel, if I'm doing them a disservice, if I don't see how far, I can take it, . . Because I just been around too much. Good wisdom. There's good family members, there's good energy and stuff that, they've installed in me to be be at the point I'm at now and I'm just I'm thankful for that.

[00:04:24] Big Javo: Dope, dope, 

[00:04:25] DJ And?: dope, man. Dope. And I know you're just talking about your family's influence on you. Actual foray. And the music. And music in general. And I like that you did bring to the fact starting with the church. Yeah. And I know a lot of folks don't understand that, especially in our community, man.

[00:04:40] DJ And?: Yeah. Oh yeah, man. The church man. That's where we get so much of our talent from. That's like the first organizational principle and most of our communities. You're talking about your Whitney, Houstons and et cetera. Absolutely. Eha Franklins, your Ray Charles, et cetera. All these people coming outta church with all this.

[00:04:55] DJ And?: That's where we get talented. That's where we get our first tutelage in how to properly [00:05:00] sing and carry a note. Learning how to read music. If you're a person that plays the keyboard or the drum or the guitar or the bass, it was, that's the first time you also have that chance to expose that to other.

[00:05:12] DJ And?: did you do any performance in the church growing up? Ab 

[00:05:15] Big Javo: Absolutely. , I was on the male course word. Yeah. On the male course Cedar Grove Male course. We actually formed that. Under pastor cuz he's a big singer down there. So he's a big okay. He's a big radio personality down there.

[00:05:25] Big Javo: Curtis Young, he's very, yeah. That's how, 

[00:05:28] DJ And?: that's alright. 

[00:05:30] Big Javo: Small world. Small world. Yeah. And he's magical far as music, talented wise, talent. He amazing, so we formed that organization under. . And since then, I've just been like just performing leading songs just singing, because of the fact that, I see everybody else do it.

[00:05:45] Big Javo: My aunt, it's my mom, my dad. You know what I'm saying? Like I say, at some point, you gotta carry on that, you know what I'm saying? So at this point, yeah. And at this point, like I tell everybody, it's way bigger than music. You know what I'm saying? , for what I'm doing, It's an enjoyment part for me, but it is almost like, I owe it to my family as [00:06:00] well, you know what I'm saying?

[00:06:01] Big Javo: Because just of how much talent and singing wise we have in my family alone, you know what I'm saying? Mine either was a great singer. That's me. You know what I'm saying? That's me and Tamaya. Oh my goodness. Woo. You most 

[00:06:13] Ta-Myia: talented family. Yeah, we really do. Literally, we really, everybody possesses something even if you don't even know your history.

[00:06:19] Ta-Myia: Yeah. Yeah. You still got that in your blood. Cause I didn't know my great-grandfather was a artist. Shut up. Tell was about 30 by last 

[00:06:27] Big Javo: year. Shut up my mom. 

[00:06:28] Skip: Why was it like, how did you not know this? 

[00:06:30] Ta-Myia: I just didn't know. Good. I just didn't know. Next thing you know. Painting and stuff. It came through me and it 

[00:06:36] DJ And?: comes right out the soul at the spirit.

[00:06:38] DJ And?: No, I can tell. I know I can immediately tell 

[00:06:39] Skip: It's funny cause you know you got two cousins here. I see y'all talking, y'all 

[00:06:43] Ta-Myia: brother, but I ain't even tell you. Their brothers. 

[00:06:45] Skip: That's my 

[00:06:46] DJ And?: brother DT just walked into the building. Y'all my man. How? 

[00:06:48] Skip: Take a quick break. One second. Yeah, we just had one of our meet my good friends walking 

[00:06:53] DJ And?: today.

[00:06:53] DJ And?: He's on Watch us today do this interview, but, oh, 

[00:06:55] Ta-Myia: cool. I don't know where a chair is at. You park. Bring him another, bring him on. 

[00:06:58] Skip: This one right there. You can roll it in [00:07:00] if you need 

[00:07:00] Big Javo: to. The chair. Sit down. Sit down. 

[00:07:02] Skip: Yeah. Sit down. Sit down. 

[00:07:03] Ta-Myia: Our 

[00:07:03] Skip: special guest, we got a special guest today, y'all. Thomas Holiday.

[00:07:07] DJ And?: Yeah, he know he's a following the podcast. He knows this pretty well. See, this is what y'all do. Y'all 

[00:07:12] Thomas Holliday: put people on. 

[00:07:12] Ta-Myia: When you pull up, this is what 

[00:07:14] Thomas Holliday: happened. When you watch up, you you gotta watch 

[00:07:16] DJ And?: him. You gotta watch it. And we were just talking about, matter of fact, just make 

[00:07:18] Skip: sure I'm not crazy 

[00:07:19] DJ And?: about this.

[00:07:19] DJ And?: We were just talking about Orangeburg and Calhoun County. Yeah, we got talk Orangeburg born, raised. That's 

[00:07:25] Skip: why I was born too. Know, that's 

[00:07:27] Ta-Myia: I'm saying. 

[00:07:27] Big Javo: And that's my cousin he was born on. Yeah. Born verses con. Okay. Neighbor, come on. Oh yeah. It's all 8 0 3 things. 

[00:07:34] Skip: T d man, all ad 

[00:07:36] DJ And?: three, all 8 0 3.

[00:07:37] DJ And?: So we just speaking about the family and the fact gentlemen, they come from a long line of performers and musicians and folks who are artists. and we're just talking about the importance of church in the maturation of this, especially within the black community. Yeah. The church is the place where usually we first get our chance to show our chops.

[00:07:56] DJ And?: Yeah. On whether it be an instrument or vocal talents or even [00:08:00] the oration. Yeah. Like most of our speakers that are great speakers come out of that church and I tell people how important that is. But with that being said, and we're talking about church and stuff, I always like to talk about message.

[00:08:10] DJ And?: especially in music, and I know my brother Kevin and I, we were having this conversation up on the way about the importance of messages and people not understanding where the message should go and that sometimes just based on education, ideology or whatnot, right? But music has always been an effective way to communicate to the masses, and lyrics have played a massive role in delivering this communication so question I want to pose to you is, what message do you want your audience to capture from your music? 

[00:08:34] Big Javo: You know what? That's a very, that's a very good question. Because now nowadays it's always it's a particular message that man, that's being promoted that, we gotta ha we gotta, as artists, we gotta start having a conscious about, you know what I'm saying?

[00:08:47] Big Javo: As artists, we gotta start having a conscious about these things. . Just certain stuff we promote and like our voices are part, are powerful, so speak at the end of the day, man, we gotta be careful, man. What we feed in the younger generation. If you just look around, you [00:09:00] know what I'm saying?

[00:09:00] Big Javo: The younger generation, man, it's rough right now, . Yeah, it is. You know what I'm saying? It is rough because, and a lot of time it comes from our voices, our messages, the people we power, we just gotta be, I don't knock nobody, for how they make their money, do their thing.

[00:09:11] Big Javo: You know what I'm saying? As human beings. And I'm just speaking on my culture, the black culture we gotta start having a little bit more conscience about these things because, if we look back down the line of history, we can see, we was able to make music without that. You know what I'm saying?

[00:09:24] Big Javo: Yes. We was able to make music and conquer everything we wanted to do, without that. , you know what I'm saying? , you look back, the spinners, the ojs earth went in fire. James Brown, love is the medal. You see what I'm saying? What I'm saying we was still able to, Yeah.

[00:09:37] Big Javo: . Yeah. We still was able to get that point across, you know what I'm saying? Music. Even James Brown. Yeah. Even James Brown. You know what, come on. What I'm saying. So like I tell everybody, we just. We gotta be, have a little bit more conscious. I would suggest that, people stop being so trendy, it's almost like people don't even value their own opinions no more.

[00:09:53] Big Javo: Wait, 

[00:09:53] Skip: wait, 

[00:09:53] Big Javo: flash. 

[00:09:55] Skip: Oh, we can't hear. 

[00:09:56] DJ And?: But you do have to build on that because that's, I [00:10:00] think that's something. Is it's almost as if people don't realize you have power. Yes. To control those things in your tongues. 

[00:10:06] Skip: Power is, go back, let's go back to the church real for a second. 

[00:10:08] Ta-Myia: Like we are those are what?

[00:10:10] Ta-Myia: Not, what is it called? Not not like witchcraft, but your speaking. Like words. Like spells. Spells. Yes. 

[00:10:17] Big Javo: Spells. Spells. You said 

[00:10:19] Skip: witchcraft. Shoot. 

[00:10:20] DJ And?: That's what it is. 

[00:10:20] Skip: Everything that come out your mouth is 

[00:10:22] DJ And?: spells. 

[00:10:22] Thomas Holliday: You know what I think going back, going to that point I think that's. A universal law though.

[00:10:27] Thomas Holliday: Yes. Like you, you have what you speak, like power is in your words. So whether you Christian, whether you power of life and death, Muslim, whether you just believe in vibes, energy, universe, whatever it is. Yeah. I think there's just this universal understanding that yo, like you gotta be careful what you say because your speech literal.

[00:10:47] Thomas Holliday: Can dictate your life, what happens in your life, the people around you. Absolutely. It can be so controlling and like my man was saying, it's yo, when you don't value your own opinions, when you're so afraid of going against the [00:11:00] green , then what puts you in this shell in this box.

[00:11:03] Thomas Holliday: So that's why you can hear five songs on the radio, which I do not recommend anybody. And all five songs can literally be talking about the same thing. Same thing, just on a different beat. That's it. 

[00:11:12] DJ And?: , 

[00:11:12] DJ And?: that's literally what saying that's song. 

[00:11:14] Ta-Myia: That's literally what you, so as an artist, like how do you feel when you hear like rappers talk about like death and stuff like that and then it actually happens.

[00:11:22] Big Javo: Oh man. Gotta be more careful. That's like I say, you gotta have a conscience at the end of the day, like I tell everybody, it's not about the money, you know what I'm saying? , a lot of people, , they gonna always go with the popularity because that's where the money, that's where the money at.

[00:11:31] Big Javo: You said the trendy stuff. Yeah. That's the trendy stuff. You know what I'm saying? I was talking about, they gotta at some point you gotta realize that, if you gotta if everybody can change, change the culture if everybody can just come together and not because you listen to, I'm a, I drive trucks I be riding, listening to other different radio station.

[00:11:46] Big Javo: It's just already a station. Different regions. Yeah. Different regional country, rock, hip hop. I listen to different stuff i's got a story for you. Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. And you listen to our radio station, man, , 

[00:11:55] DJ And?: darn it. You couldn't get away with the stuff we say on our [00:12:00] stations, 

[00:12:00] Big Javo: man. It's bad now.

[00:12:02] Big Javo: Cause they allow, they allowing a lot on there now than what we grew up with. More than way more than we grew up with. It's who is 

[00:12:09] Thomas Holliday: the FCC now? Yeah. Do they even exist 

[00:12:11] DJ And?: anymore? Not for. remember the song when Juvenile came out with, back that thing up. I remember when they played it on the radio.

[00:12:18] DJ And?: They literally made it say, it said back that zzz up and they edited it like that really poorly in a bad way because back in the day they didn't play that meaning. You weren't saying that on the radio. If you're gonna say that on the radio, you're gonna make it sound bad reason don't cut out completely.

[00:12:30] DJ And?: Like you get none of it. Nowadays, you can slip all kinds of stuff into us. Yeah, 

[00:12:34] Thomas Holliday: man. Here's the thing though, because if they were to actually edit. All of the songs, it would just be one. 

[00:12:40] DJ And?: Just be like, I'm telling you, making 

[00:12:43] Big Javo: yo man, that's what we doing now. Maybe we need to 

[00:12:45] Ta-Myia: get back the instrumentals.

[00:12:46] Ta-Myia: Oh my Lord. 

[00:12:47] Skip: I like instrumental. That goes back 

[00:12:49] Ta-Myia: to us. Our last artist, master Key. 

[00:12:52] Big Javo: Yo 

[00:12:52] DJ And?: Wilford Thatt today. Yeah. We're gonna ask about the mess. Yeah. Instrumentals are cool. I have nothing wrong with this. I love jazz music, so I have no problem with instrumentals, but I know you gotta sometimes put some [00:13:00] words on it.

[00:13:00] DJ And?: Yeah, and I have nothing wrong with words. And I'll tell you this, man. I wake up on Saturday mornings when we don't have to go out, do anything early for podcasting. And I'm gonna tell you what I do. It sounds real weird cause I'm just happy you said it as a truck driver. You can't even pointed this out.

[00:13:13] DJ And?: I'll watch CMT 

[00:13:15] Skip: and like, why you watching cmt? Me, my lady, my wife be asking me, why you turn cmt? Y'all watch? 

[00:13:19] DJ And?: I said Watch Peak. There's a few black country artists that are actually very big, right? . . And I watch it because I always like to say, what do they feed to themselves that they don't feed to us?

[00:13:30] DJ And?: , because we don't run that world no more. , even though we create, we created country, you can go back and look at it. All that stuff. We don't run that anymore. So I'm looking at that. Messages that are in the music videos, right? , so I watch Revolt earlier in the morning. I get up.

[00:13:42] DJ And?: , I always get about six 30 every morning. So I'm watching Revolt early cuz they'll have their videos on, I see what's in their videos, et cetera. I see the drugs, I see the people in the strip club. I see the expensive cars. I see the guys with the guns. I say, Ooh, okay. So now I turn over to c m T.

[00:13:56] DJ And?: Same black dude. The black man. He's in a video. . He has his [00:14:00] daddy in the video. His mommy's in the video, his children in the video, he's talking about family values. He's talking about taking care of his family properly, how to build up wealth and stuff for the future. He's not want, he didn't say nothing about drugs.

[00:14:11] DJ And?: He didn't sell no liquor. , if he said anything about liquor, it's him sitting on the back porch with his dad having a drink. See that's, 

[00:14:17] Ta-Myia: it's at the club. That's 

[00:14:18] Big Javo: why on record he's making money. Yeah. That's 

[00:14:20] DJ And?: the crazy part. Yeah. You can't tell me, oh, it's because I, that's how we gotta make money. No, you're a lie.

[00:14:25] DJ And?: , you're being lazy. , you can still make money with a positive message. . Yep. And that's hard for people to understand. And you as an artist, and I'm happy you said this because you getting to travel, And go to different areas. I think that's one of the things that throws people off as well, is just understand sometimes you have to get outta your comfort zone.

[00:14:40] DJ And?: You have to. You have to. And could you explain, especially, and this is something cuz normally don't get to talk to people, you just travel around like that, right? Could you explain how getting outta your comfort zone, how that has affected your music? , and I guess this is another, this is a second question to add on to that.

[00:14:54] DJ And?: Have you ever placed hidden messages within lyrics for your listeners to the code and your music? So first [00:15:00] things first is, the experience of traveling around how that has changed your perspective, and then do you find ways to creatively fit in good messages? 

[00:15:06] Big Javo: Absolutely. My whole thing is just from going to different places different states listening to different music different things, my.

[00:15:14] Big Javo: My whole perspective on it and demeanor on it is it definitely has changed. And like you was just, you said something about comfort zone. , I advised everybody your comfort zone will kill you. . . Yeah. Jules and it's that, and it's that serious. You know what I'm saying?

[00:15:25] Big Javo: It's that deep. Your comfort zone is going to, it's gonna kill your happiness. It's gonna kill your peace, because at the end of the day, When you wake up for the next day, you know what I'm saying? What are you looking forward to? You know what you gonna do? You're stuck in the same old routine, you know what I'm saying?

[00:15:40] Big Javo: It's pretty much just like going through the motions. Next thing you know, you look up 10, 20 years I passed you, and you realize you've done nothing, yeah. So I advise everybody, to get out your comfort zone because your comfort zone is where you have no growth.

[00:15:52] Big Javo: That mean you hit the. , and as a person, as anybody, as people, we should wake up every day to learn something new, eager to do something different. You know what I'm saying? Because that's like we were talking about [00:16:00] family, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Different things we see are growing up.

[00:16:02] Big Javo: I gotta it's different. It's different values, my family got their values and at the end of the day, as people, like I was saying earlier you gotta value your own opinion. Opinion. You gotta go against some of your family values, who know, nice deep, 

[00:16:12] DJ And?: right?

[00:16:13] DJ And?: There's this thing. I know that they been pushing hard this week. I'm gonna get back to that other question, but something that've been pushing hard this week. I know with the stuff going on in the news with this artist called Yay. This is . There's this thing about the truth being. in the sense of you can truth itself.

[00:16:28] DJ And?: A lot of people don't want to hear things that are hurtful or that force them to be introspective on faults that they have of their own. That's fact. And the black community, God good 

[00:16:39] Big Javo: almighty, we are the worst. Look in the 

[00:16:41] Skip: mirror, 

[00:16:41] DJ And?: we'll beat everybody up. We will march on you because you touched our friend over here.

[00:16:46] DJ And?: But then we gonna go shoot a three year old first all. Yeah, come on. 

[00:16:50] Big Javo: Then people project that 

[00:16:51] Ta-Myia: projection and the black community is crazy is bad. I don't think people 

[00:16:55] Big Javo: realize that. Yeah. And 

[00:16:57] Thomas Holliday: the thing is, we don't like anybody to show us. [00:17:00] Who, whether we are outside the community or inside the community.

[00:17:03] Thomas Holliday: Absolutely. we are in the black community and you like, yo black people we gotta check ourselves on this. Whoa. Yo people will literally comfy your head. I call it headhunt. Yeah. Yeah. I call hunters. They will literally like comfy, like yo, You can't speak on that. Yeah.

[00:17:17] Thomas Holliday: Yo, I'm black. I'm black. I should be the person who can't speak on Nah, Uhuh, right? Nah, we don't 

[00:17:22] DJ And?: go there. We just slight, like I said, we get in our comfort zone and we go there to die. 

[00:17:26] Big Javo: Yeah. That's crazy. 

[00:17:27] Ta-Myia: Once I realized how big my ego was, I said I gotta start de deconstructing it right now. I said I gotta do the work now.

[00:17:35] Skip: And what do they 

[00:17:35] DJ And?: call that? Shadow work, correct? For black folk. I think especially in our community, our culture itself is, has always been very. Prominent and powerful able, something that's able to be monetized. Yeah. However we want to use it. . But in order for us to actually have that operate in a way, and I think in a form in which it will be positive, not just to our community, but communities outside of us, cuz of course we don't exist here in the vacuum.

[00:17:59] DJ And?: Where's [00:18:00] other communities that we gotta deal with and that we're around all the time. And for us to have fruitful relationships with them. we first gotta do some shadow work with in our communities so that Yeah, absolutely. We can even talk honestly about problems that cause that are caused by us.

[00:18:13] DJ And?: Man, listen, speak on it, brother. Speak on it. And then, and I'll tell you like, and I do want you to hit on this thing about the importance of. Taking messaging and your music and you, sometimes you gotta hide it. Do you know the idea of so coming outta church again? Absolutely. I'm happy we talk about church this morning.

[00:18:27] DJ And?: Yeah. So for real, in church, they always talk about, and I remember preachers telling me this, I didn't understand this when I was younger, but as I got older I understood what they meant. You take and you feed people for what they're ready for. Meaning you take a baby, you give it milk. Yep. As you get older, then you can give it meat, but you don't give it meat too early because you'll turn that baby off.

[00:18:45] DJ And?: Yeah. So speaking of the importance of hiding a message, that's almost like making sure I'm delivering you formula instead of state too early. Could you talk about the importance? 

[00:18:54] Big Javo: Absolutely. My it's very important to. Just like I said, coming from church. Just older background, just a [00:19:00] lot of, different people throughout my whole community, the village around me, coming up as child.

[00:19:04] Big Javo: I give, shout out the credit to them, and that goes for neighbors, family members, anybody, friends, moms, parents. I just give, I give them a lot of credit because of the fact that like you said, it's not what you. , but how you say it? , that was big.

[00:19:17] Big Javo: That's one of those key values that, that's go with you through life, yeah. It ain't about what you do. It's, how you do it, so it's all about, of course, like with my politic backgrounds, just knowing how to words and work things, so definitely it's important and if you listen to a lot of my music some of my music I got, it's a lot of hidden messages and honestly touching back on your question from earlier, , what do I want my listeners to understand? Yeah, I want my listeners to understand that, man, it's okay to go to work.

[00:19:43] Big Javo: You understand what I'm saying? , it's OK to work, not the five, understand what I'm , okay. It's like it is okay. Don't let nobody ever think not getting money is cool. Yeah. Understand what I'm saying? Yeah. Because it is. It's been a strong suit of thing now. . Oh man, you gotta be your own boss.

[00:19:58] Big Javo: Oh, you're working all you going [00:20:00] on the white man job, all this, , man, yeah. And it's all own perspective, and if we could change perspective, that simple thing, a lot of things would be totally different. Because like I tell everybody, don't look at your job as a job.

[00:20:10] Big Javo: You understand what I'm saying? If you don't love that, if you don't love it, what you do, when you get up happy every morning, go to work, don't do it. Yeah. So I advise everybody, to just to look they self in the mirror. Understand man. working a nine to five is okay. You making money, your job is your investor to whatever you want to do in life.

[00:20:25] Big Javo: Big point. Your job is only your investor. Yeah. For whatever you wanna do to do life, your job is your investor. And if everybody would look at that if everybody look at it that way, things will go so much smoother and so much better. And people can go to work. A lot of people go to work angry and mad because of the.

[00:20:41] Big Javo: Yeah. 

[00:20:42] DJ And?: And we created this false understanding of what it means to have and how to get money. I'm gonna jump on this real quick and then we'll spread around to the rest of the panel, but you, alright, so you're supposed to go out and get an honors day's work, right? Whatever that is. If you own the business or if you're going to work for somebody else and you make that money, you bring it back.

[00:20:59] DJ And?: [00:21:00] Cool. What we have done in our community is we clown people. Who don't make a specific level of money and also don't earn money in a way that we deem is Oath facts. You can't say, welcome to Happy Burger Home of the Happy Burger. May I take your order? Then you get clowned . Yeah. Facts like was it two years ago?

[00:21:18] DJ And?: Two, three years ago? We had the gentleman from a man who played he played, he was on a Bill Cosby show, on a Cosby. Jesse Owens, 

[00:21:24] Big Javo: and he had to go back and get a job. He had him back and get 

[00:21:27] DJ And?: play, man. Yeah, man. Yeah. Because the show, of course, was dealing with all the stuff with Cosby. They basically took it off of syndication and it messed up his money.

[00:21:35] DJ And?: His ends. Yeah. Yeah. So he went back and said, you know what? Let me just get this job here. Why? Because I got money, enough money, but in order to make things work properly, I need a day-to-day. Right people were clowning this man at work doing something legal. Wow. Why? Meanwhile, we got a drug dealer out here selling drugs to kids in his own community, tearing his look.

[00:21:53] Skip: Yep. And he's not getting any press, any slack on that. Matter of fact, he's gonna be on E 

[00:21:58] DJ And?: P N and doing a [00:22:00] halftime show. No problem. Cool. No beans with it. That's us c saying in our community, that's us making a vote that we agree with you doing and getting money in a way that's harmful to us over you earning an honest days' 

[00:22:12] Thomas Holliday: labor.

[00:22:12] Thomas Holliday: Be because honestly, if you think about it, especially more specifically with that specific situation. People were more so grabbing attention and flocking to the idea that, oh, he fell off. Yeah. Yeah. Like the, you were here and now you're here. So people don't know what goes on behind the scenes.

[00:22:30] Thomas Holliday: All they know is what they see in the front, and all they know is, we saw you on tv, now you work, you got on a apron, and you working at a grocery store. , yo, life must really be terrible for you right now, , and that can't be 

[00:22:41] Big Javo: the case all the time. It can't serious me. Like 

[00:22:44] Thomas Holliday: people, misjudge people create these assumptions in their head.

[00:22:47] Thomas Holliday: , and they figure yo, every situation fits this stereotype. If it's not this, then it must be this. Yo, one of the, one of the worst things that we can do is assume that you know everything is either true or false. Sometimes travel, [00:23:00] two things can be true at the same time. 

[00:23:02] DJ And?: Actually, 

[00:23:02] Skip: exclusive truth.

[00:23:03] Skip: Come on. Yes, 

[00:23:03] Thomas Holliday: telling you, like I've seen it happen. Like I tell my family this all the time. I'm like, yo, just cuz you got this over here doesn't mean that person's doing this over here. Just cuz one plus one equals two doesn't equal doesn't mean that, like zero plus two can't equal two.

[00:23:17] Thomas Holliday: Two. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? More than one, right? Yeah. So like when we, again, once we come out of that whole box, that whole perspective and stuff. 

[00:23:25] DJ And?: Yo with the contentness that content kills. Yes. Sticking with the contentness. All, 

[00:23:30] Thomas Holliday: All this stuff is just so sabotaged in the end, man.

[00:23:33] Thomas Holliday: That's it. That's really what 

[00:23:34] Big Javo: it is. 

[00:23:34] Ta-Myia: Moving from a limited experience. That's it. Speeding. I'm gonna limit my mind. 

[00:23:38] Big Javo: Sorry. 

[00:23:39] DJ And?: I'm sorry. That's, and we do a good job, especially in our community, always tease about this, of maintaining something called social tyranny. . And you know about social tyranny?

[00:23:48] DJ And?: . . So social tyranny, you don't look, I'm gonna tell you. , the greatest thing you could do is create a situation in which you do not have to watch the jail person. Yeah. The prisoners will keep themselves in prison. Yep. Yeah. [00:24:00] And we look, yeah. We've had a nice little trick played on us to the point where we used to think the other way, and this is what you were saying, like coming out of all the bad stuff we had came out of, you can't tell me.

[00:24:10] DJ And?: All right. Dr. Claude is big on this one, but coming outta slavery, we actually had money in. Yep. We lost most of that while we were free. , that's a darn scary thing to think about that. Yep. While you were actually free and able to move about in a free manner, and this is mindset like you moving about in a free manner, your mind was still causing you to make decisions.

[00:24:32] DJ And?: That a person who was in prison would make . Yep. God darn it that on me, I'm telling you man, makes zero sense. So that's especially, and this is why it's so important, like when we think about music, because music is something that you do not have to give a permission to. to have an effect on you.

[00:24:49] DJ And?: , you don't have to talk to it. You don't have to sign a contract for yourself. , the effects of that music will be immediate and they will start acting as soon as it starts hitting that brain. That subconscious mind starts putting [00:25:00] stuff in it that remembers the lyrics. There's certain things and I catch myself doing it.

[00:25:04] DJ And?: I'm listening to stuff. Can I tell people I'm not perfect? I listen to ratchet music of Yeah, every once in a while. Cause like I said, you can't have 

[00:25:10] Skip: really 

[00:25:11] Ta-Myia: an aesthetic experience. 

[00:25:13] DJ And?: Yes. . And sometimes you just wanna see what the experience is. Cuz my thing is, I wanna know too, I. What the feel is in the street and what people are going through.

[00:25:20] DJ And?: Because to not do that is to take yourself and almost put yourself in an ivory tower. And I'm not one of those guys. I'm not. Do that. Like you 

[00:25:26] Thomas Holliday: remove yourself. Yeah. You're no longer in touch. Yeah. 

[00:25:29] Big Javo: With the people 

[00:25:29] DJ And?: around you and stuff. Yeah. I'm not trying to end up like Sammy Sosa and a, pardon me for saying this.

[00:25:34] DJ And?: Serena Williams. I'm gonna stay black. I'm not gonna bleach my skin . So with that said that in essence sense of saying, I'm gonna stay with my culture, meaning I'm gonna try to support my culture, I want to renovate my culture, I want to gentrify my culture. . 

[00:25:48] Ta-Myia: , 

[00:25:48] Ta-Myia: inclusivity, 

[00:25:49] Big Javo: equity, all that stuff better.

[00:25:50] Big Javo: Yeah. 

[00:25:50] DJ And?: Yeah. I'm know. I don't want us to be a culture in which we cannot move and grow. Evolve in a way that we can be positive for ourselves. Cause this is something that [00:26:00] bothering us this week. Boy, I know. Bothering me this week. Hearing 

[00:26:02] Ta-Myia: especially all that yay stuff, man. Cause I don't even know what happened.

[00:26:05] Ta-Myia: Everybody talking about it like, can't 

[00:26:07] DJ And?: even matter what happens. It's the fact that as a culture, we don't have a code. No. Because some people are attacking him, other people are with him. Defend him. Yeah. That makes no sense. 

[00:26:15] Ta-Myia: . That just show you how ununited we are. . That's my boy. That's real true.

[00:26:18] Ta-Myia: Ain't no unity. Real. Ain't in the 

[00:26:20] Skip: black community. Ain't none. Which is 

[00:26:22] DJ And?: a problem. Yeah, true. That's a big problem. True. And it leads to our next question about authenticity. Authenticity. In the music industry, like 

[00:26:27] Big Javo: Yeah man, that's big. That's a big thing right now. Cause man, if you listen to everything right now, you know the thing about music now is that everybody's, so when you a artist and you just grow up with a love for.

[00:26:38] Big Javo: you can just, you can hear the money chasing in the music. Oh, wow. You understand what I'm saying? Yeah. , they got every hit that's on the song right now and you sound thirsty. Simple. You thirsty. Come on. Everything is a sample now. You see what I'm saying? Hits on the radio. Almost a sample now.

[00:26:49] Big Javo: everything. And they don't even need to be that way. They don't even, it don't need to be that way. You know what I'm saying? Some people don't understand, how to leave well off alone, . You know what I'm saying? You're right because. The other artists,[00:27:00] who made a song or hit a while back, hey, they probably was in bad contracts, so now they just wanna make any kind of money.

[00:27:06] Big Javo: You know what I'm saying? So now they. letting anybody get on it, say whatever they want on, and do whatever they want on. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You killing the originality, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yep. I don't have a problem with samples, but not everything, you know what I'm saying?

[00:27:17] Big Javo: Everything on the radio is a sample now, everybody making hits at a sample, which is, it's almost like cheating. Yeah. You 

[00:27:23] DJ And?: know what I'm saying? The sample, the samples supposed to be there to 

[00:27:24] Big Javo: accentuate something. Accentuate something, you know what I'm saying? But not everybody just taking a sample now.

[00:27:29] Big Javo: And it's a money hunger thing, you know what I'm saying? It's almost like making a pop. And just like I tell everybody, even artists, like I tell everybody, I still wanna be able to go back at my community and be comfortable, walk around. I still can do that. You know what I'm saying?

[00:27:39] Big Javo: I'm a regular person. I'm a person. Other people, if anybody think me, I'm a person for the people. Yeah. My community will tell you that. You go around and ask anybody about me, they gonna tell you. I'm for the people. , my grandfather was that way. My uncle lost last year, Mel Heart.

[00:27:51] Big Javo: He was that way. I'm just a man of, of the people because at the end of the day, these are my people. Yeah. The ones I can't touch, I touch the ones I can't reach. I'll get, if I can't help you, I'm [00:28:00] not gonna hurt you. Who you know. I like 

[00:28:01] Ta-Myia: that. So talk about being transparent in your music.

[00:28:04] Big Javo: It's a key to be transparent. Cause I gotta tell everybody, you want your music to. as close to you as possible. Okay. Like I tell everybody in the black community, we got a a problem with, just going to talk to somebody. Therapy. Yes. So yes. For me, music is therapy.

[00:28:16] Big Javo: . So a lot of things that maybe have ha happened in my life or different things people don't know about me, they know me. in this particular way. A lot of stuff, they don't know about me. I could put in my music, which I can express that, you know what I'm saying? The other side of me, because I just wouldn't go around having a conversation about stuff I'm gonna talk about in music, you know what I'm saying?

[00:28:32] Big Javo: And people kill off the mystique in they self a lot. You gotta leave people wondering sometimes, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. If you on the internet all day long, everywhere you go, everywhere you eat, you gotta let, you gotta let, keep people guessing.

[00:28:42] Big Javo: You know what I'm saying? , you can't never let 'em know too much about you. You gotta keep wanting to know more and more. And through that, that's how if they, when I gain the following another listeners that's what I just want them to know , I'm gonna tell you everything that everybody else won't say.

[00:28:55] Big Javo: I'm gonna tell you about it because it's okay. It's okay to work a temp job and you got a [00:29:00] job today. They call your phone your assignment in, you know what I'm saying? It's o it's okay to go through it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I'm a guy that I done had, I'm, I done had 30 plus something jobs and I'm on 30, you know what I'm saying?

[00:29:09] Big Javo: And I'm a work 15, so it is, you go through phases in life, I tell everybody, it ain't for the, we carded. , you gotta leave your feelings at the door and understand your goals. Your goals gotta be bigger than anything else. No matter which I, which avenue you gotta take to get there.

[00:29:22] Big Javo: Just get there. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Might be a little rough, might be a little hard, but you gotta get there. And the main thing I tell people is put the phone down, man. Put your phone down and go do listen right 

[00:29:31] DJ And?: now. Put 

[00:29:32] Big Javo: phone, put your phone down and go 

[00:29:34] Skip: do something.

[00:29:35] Skip: Go do something. Y'all didn't see it my phone up when you said, oh lemme, I 

[00:29:40] DJ And?: don't need that right now. Put 

[00:29:41] Skip: my pocket. I almost 

[00:29:43] DJ And?: speak. 

[00:29:44] Skip: I have to ask you about this cuz this is something 

[00:29:45] DJ And?: that we want to delve into. I know you have some some background. and politic. . . And I know this is something, especially from the way we've been talking, I can tell that you have have a, an opinion on the macro and the micro of what [00:30:00] goes on with us politically.

[00:30:03] DJ And?: Could you speak on that effect of your background in that and how you. when it comes to you doing music and doing business. And could you explain to some folks what that background, 

[00:30:14] Big Javo: Was? That background? Just like I said, it started my grandfather. My grandfather was a head NAACP guy firm of heart back home.

[00:30:21] Big Javo: So it started the early age. Like I said, him and mom Cam, Melvin, they was grooming me for it. So at the end of the day it started at, I started as the third vice chairman under 30. I was I was about 20, I was 20, 21 at the time. So they voted me in as third vice chairman under 30 for my district, which is Kell County.

[00:30:38] Big Javo: So from there I moved through the ranks from there and I went up. I actually got offered a position, but Russell, I Russell I joined yeah. To come up and work with him up at the State House. So after all of that came through, I was working in the House of Representatives. I was there for a little while.

[00:30:54] Big Javo: Good little while. Wow. And just that was a big part, being there, like being, [00:31:00] seeing power structure work, seeing Yeah. Yeah. Seeing the structure and how things is moving, how things, that was a great experience. Like just far as me living and moving through life. Yeah. Yeah. You Certain things in there, you gotta understand, like I tell everybody.

[00:31:12] Big Javo: Us as a community. We think we so slick. We think we so good. We think we, know, and I'm not, and I'm not knocking, I'm not knocking up, I'm not nobody. But, we gotta be honest with ourselves sometimes. , you know what I'm saying? Like most definitely just moving through that State House man.

[00:31:24] Big Javo: Like you always, and it taught me in life, like no matter what corner you turn, no matter what little spot you think you got, man, something always gonna see you. Something always gonna catch. Something always go some you can't do nothing without some eye on you. You see what I'm saying? Ain't nothing like, you know what I'm saying?

[00:31:40] Big Javo: Nothing. You know what I'm saying? Hear these phones we got on us. Yep. You know what I'm saying? They can tap into the cameras on the, you know what I'm saying? Bingo. You 

[00:31:46] DJ And?: cannot, you don't need, you don't need no tracking R f D chip. 

[00:31:48] Big Javo: You know what I'm saying? And brother always.

[00:31:51] Big Javo: You know what I'm saying? And I knock no hustle man. I knock nobody, man. Get your money. . As far as for me, man, that's why, you know the structure of. State House, just watching how security [00:32:00] was, just yeah, different little things, and sitting in a, and being able to sit actual, in live sessions and see how they, and seeing how they 

[00:32:06] DJ And?: conduct 

[00:32:07] Big Javo: this, how they talk to each other.

[00:32:08] Big Javo: Oh man, it was, man, listen, it was a lot. And, I be trying, we can try, man. I be trying to get at, I want that kind of structure for my community, you know what I'm saying? Because a lot of us don't get the chance to be in there. You know what I'm saying? That's big. Good point.

[00:32:20] Big Javo: A lot of my friends, you know what I'm saying, you. , nobody. I tried to give them the game that I got out of there cuz the type of stuff that was going on in there and talked about in those sessions, man. Man. I tell everybody, that's what kind of molded me to where I'm at. That's what made me want more. But, politics it's a, it is a very, it's a thin line. . a thin line for us. Saying the wrong thing at the right time. It's a thin line for saying the right thing at the wrong time. Wrong time, and life, seafood. Yeah. At life sometimes, I tell everybody, whatever it is, just take that one second, just to stop and think before you speak.

[00:32:50] Big Javo: You know what I'm saying? If everybody took that one time, just to stop for a second. All right. Lemme think about one. Just stop and think about what you about to say, because a lot of times, we fly them out with anything. Yes. We, you know what I am. [00:33:00] and sometimes it's too late to take it back.

[00:33:02] Big Javo: Yeah. And I see a lot of people suffering from that now. . . Yeah. Yeah. I see a lot of people 

[00:33:06] DJ And?: suffering. No, yeah. Boo. Lil Booie had to deal with it a little bit too for a little minute, he came back. I like some little booy. Y'all 

[00:33:12] Skip: the same birthday, real 

[00:33:13] Big Javo: talk.

[00:33:14] Big Javo: Yeah. Me, Booy, same birthday. Booie. 

[00:33:16] DJ And?: Really don't care. Yeah, he don't. Carey 

[00:33:18] Thomas Holliday: be my authentic, gotta 

[00:33:20] Big Javo: Authentic love. And he should. And boost is a, I feel like a lot of people, and that's you said earlier you saying how the artists think, oh, he fell off. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[00:33:30] Big Javo: Now here I live in Charlotte, so a lot of the big stuff come to Bank of America Stadium. Yeah. they had two big concerts. I think one was Elton John. Elton John. And And it was a group, it was a what a famous group that came up there. That was was it band?

[00:33:42] Big Javo: Was it? Yeah, it was a band. I can't remember the name of, no, it was 

[00:33:45] DJ And?: was, I was trying to enough. Was it 

[00:33:47] Big Javo: Wang Man? Nah, it was a wutang. It was somebody, it was a it was a country. It was a country. Yeah, it was country knew. And man, they, they flooded the streets, man. These people ain't made hits for 20, 30 years.

[00:33:57] Big Javo: Yeah. Oh, let's get 

[00:33:58] DJ And?: on that point. 

[00:33:59] Big Javo: You [00:34:00] see what I'm saying? But us, oh, nah. Man, one of you know what I'm saying, man, so many good artists, man, and as a community, you. We got a bad of killing people off. You know what I'm saying? Do 

[00:34:08] DJ And?: you think we don't? Because you know what the issue is that they say with our community, we do not honor our ancestors.

[00:34:13] DJ And?: We do not, man. That's option. Meaning like I'm telling you, man, rolling Stones, if they come out on a tour tomorrow, tell 'em they're gonna be tours. Tickets out. , they're sold out in three days. I think that's who, 

[00:34:23] Big Javo: I 

[00:34:23] DJ And?: think that's what we're, yep. That's what I'm thinking about. Cause I was thinking about my man, he was up there smoking his dad.

[00:34:27] DJ And?: He literally hepled up his. Ashes He look this one talk look, one of the guitar, look one of the bass players Rolling Stones. This dude's a crazy drug addict, but he literally, his dad's ashes. He smoked some of 'em up, right? They will be there. Soling out that stu, that stadium, no one's gonna be talking about the fact that he smoked his pops up.

[00:34:44] DJ And?: None of that at all. , they're gonna, all that's gonna go in the back of my day be like, yo, we're going out here to support these iconic folks in our culture. This goes back to the culture part. Has nothing to deal with. Politics. It's just the culture supporting their culture for us, especially with hip hop, and I know we're waiting [00:35:00] on this one because hip hop, we're waiting to hit that 50 year anniversary.

[00:35:02] DJ And?: But we are not allowed to grow old in the culture of hip. And that's weird. Whoa. Because you can do that everywhere else. Hip, jazz, rock and roll. We some hypocrites. Think about it. We're hypocrites. Yeah. Because everywhere else will let you grow old and we will honor the ancestors. But when it comes to hip hop, for some reason, once you get past the age 40, yeah, you're done.

[00:35:24] DJ And?: You're honor, 

[00:35:25] Skip: you're 

[00:35:26] Big Javo: a lot of money. Yeah. 

[00:35:27] DJ And?: Unless you got a lot of money. Cuz then they can't say anything. Yeah, like my main academics learn with ll You can't say nothing cuz ll still got the bag. Yeah. So now you gotta be quiet. 

[00:35:34] Thomas Holliday: JayZ still got the bag. I'll tell you what and I talked not I talked to, but I listened to like podcast.

[00:35:39] Thomas Holliday: I listened to like interviews and stuff. And one of the things that even Nas talked about how he had to go through that, that he was talking to the older catch. Yeah. Snoop and them and was like, yo and even Gigi just said this recently, he was like, yo, you gotta get comfortable.

[00:35:52] Thomas Holliday: once you hit that 40 yo, like your demographics gonna change. Yep. You gonna lose some people like, yo know, see, you not gonna be as popular with the younger [00:36:00] generation. So it's yo, you gotta be com you gotta be comfortable with your message as you get older. Yeah. . And if you gonna be on your mature stuff, you gotta be comfortable with the fact that you gotta lean all 

[00:36:09] DJ And?: the way in.

[00:36:10] DJ And?: All the way in't straddle 

[00:36:11] Thomas Holliday: the face. Cause then cuz then you gonna have those people out there who's yo you 45 and you still talking about slinging something on up on the corner 

[00:36:17] Big Javo: sound the same somewhere. So it's 

[00:36:19] Thomas Holliday: Yo, you stuck in between the rock outta place. But the thing is people not going to always respect people.

[00:36:25] Thomas Holliday: Not gonna always. Flow with it and understand your maturation 

[00:36:29] DJ And?: as you grow all man. The human right as a 

[00:36:32] Thomas Holliday: you. Yo, if I'm still talking about the same thing I was doing at 17, 18, if I came in the game, yeah. At that point, and here I am 40 years old and I'm still talking bro. Alright. Let's look at it like this.

[00:36:41] Thomas Holliday: If I'm in corporate America, I started a position at 18 years old. Yes. and I'm still doing the same thing at 40 years old. Yes, sir. That's a problem. That's a 

[00:36:48] DJ And?: problem. Any businessman will tell you that comfort zone will 

[00:36:52] Skip: kill you. Zone telling you, I'm telling you, that's a problem. Comfort 

[00:36:54] DJ And?: zone will kill you.

[00:36:54] DJ And?: And like you say, any business person, man, woman, he, she, it, they [00:37:00] all above Z will tell you because, you know I'm inclusive, they will all tell you that's not a good thing. Yep. So like that. That's one thing I got. I really want our culture to understand that, especially when you hear this. With things that have been going on, the fact that we have to allow ourselves, first of all, just get back on it to be authentic, but to be realistic and allow for criticism from your own folks.

[00:37:22] DJ And?: Yes. Because if you can do that, it will allow for growth. And just finishing up on that question, what are your thoughts on other mainstream artists that present themselves one way for likes and followers and another way in real life? And then we'll start to get to the wrap up, but I did want to hear your perspective on this.

[00:37:37] Big Javo: Like I said early. No I think people need to make their music as close to who they are as a person, as in real life. This is my whole thing, if you gonna sell a fantasy, of something that you're not or you aren't, you gotta be careful with that because if you not, you know what I'm saying?

[00:37:50] Big Javo: It'll catch up with you eventually. And I tell everybody, man that's another message I want to give to the listeners, to the followers. Don't ever walk around. Think you gotta be tough for everybody or you think, you know what I'm [00:38:00] saying? And we got it bad. We'll walk past each other mug, mu mug, you and all kind, you know what I'm saying?

[00:38:04] Big Javo: You know what I'm saying? And we shouldn't do that. Me as a person, those are people I'm gonna speak to. Hey, what's up bro? You all right? Yep. Do all today. Come on man. We alive. You know what I'm saying? Come on. You see what I'm saying? There's no way you could be mad about having another day of life.

[00:38:14] Big Javo: Yeah. There's no way, there's no, it's no way you can's the mad it's most valuable thing on earth. Yes, man. Like I say, it's all about per respect and if I can just, if we could just change. each other's perspective and look at stuff, because, and we don't listen, , we got a bad habit of listening, just like I said earlier we got a bad habit of taking criticism and not wanting to hear it's a way to discuss all disagreements rather than, shooting at each other or going at each other. You know what I'm saying? Thank you. Because at the end of the day, thank you.

[00:38:38] Big Javo: It's energy. People get getting hurt, you know what I'm saying? Yep. These elderly people, house getting, you know what I'm saying? Shot up all different stuff, man. What 

[00:38:44] DJ And?: happened last week? In Columbia, they got, the girl got shot up in a. . Mind you, she was in the bathroom using the bathroom. Yeah. She, they just shot indiscriminate me into a house because they thought somebody was there.

[00:38:53] DJ And?: Killed her in the bathroom, child in the house. Yeah. This is on live tv. Yeah. Mind you 

[00:38:58] Big Javo: continue, man. [00:39:00] It is. Like I said, it's sad, man. That's what's hurting the most now that we. Our time of growing up was different. People grew older. what I'm saying? People had marriages that lasted 60 years, yeah. And everything. And I tell everybody, just look at it. All you gotta do is just look at what was going on then and look at it. What's going on now? know, Chaos things you ain't had to worry about. Your marriage business being all out in the street.

[00:39:18] Big Javo: Ooh. Oh, for social media. You see what I'm saying? Everything. See what I'm saying? Oh, that's a good shot. Everything is good. Like I tell everybody, everything is good. As long as the people don't know about it. Yeah. Because at the end of the day, man, and I tell everybody, just like I was saying earlier, no lead.

[00:39:35] Big Javo: The people guess, you gotta be private. You know what I'm saying? That's one thing I would encourage people to do, be more private with your life because the more you expose to the world, the more it's going to, it's gonna take you part, even think, it's just at the point that, when you look at stuff and as far as our community and our culture go, We can just change perspective, man.

[00:39:53] Big Javo: A lot of things will be so much better, so much different. And honestly, I think we, it's a 1% of us that want to try and help the black [00:40:00] community and continue to try and just like I said earlier, I'm gonna reach the ones I can reach if I can't, you know what I'm saying? If I can't help go hurt you, man, 

[00:40:09] DJ And?: I'm gonna, I'm gonna rest on them words.

[00:40:10] DJ And?: I like. If I'm not gonna help you, I'm not gonna hurt you. . And I think for our community, there's some good words to hear. Yeah, man. It's very dope. We have to put down on a shirt, man. Put down on a shirt, a couple. Yeah. Man. Rebrand. Donut. You dropping 

[00:40:22] Thomas Holliday: dime. No. Look, and the thing is he doing it even without 

[00:40:26] Skip: trying a conversation right now. 

[00:40:28] DJ And?: Natural. This how you. Like I said, it's coming from a place of caring and love. It's not 

[00:40:32] Big Javo: a place of hate. Yeah. It's no place to hate my love. It's not selfish sense. I love my people. I I won't, I never date outside my race. Love my black queens, always, you know what I'm saying?

[00:40:40] Big Javo: And at the end of the day, yeah, I just I be doing everybody that disservice if I wouldn't, if I wouldn't speak up, you know what I'm saying? At the end of the day, you gotta stand for something, and at the end of the day, like you said, , you go lose people. People go fall off and I feel it's part of the journey. You know what I'm saying? Because it takes a lot of energy to be a person, amongst the people and be for the [00:41:00] people. You know what I'm saying? You can't always please everybody, but you can always do your best. Try to help everybody.

[00:41:05] Big Javo: True. My help may not make you happy. It's help. , 

[00:41:08] Skip: how old are you? . So why 

[00:41:10] Ta-Myia: So wise? 

[00:41:11] DJ And?: Good Lord. C moment. Yes. Another one. Seriously. 

[00:41:13] Ta-Myia: Another one. So now you gotta tell the people what upcoming projects you got going on. Yes. 

[00:41:18] Big Javo: Find you. Yeah, I'm just right now I got a lot of unreleased music.

[00:41:22] Big Javo: Right now I'm working on some music, just like you see, I've been, I kept recording for years. I haven't released anything for a while. Just like I say, sometimes you. take a break. Yep. You know what I'm saying? You gotta take a step back, I advise everybody. Don't burn yourself up, don't burn yourself out. Take something strong words and give yourself some grace. Everything not gonna be perfect. Everything's not going to be, you know exactly how you want it to be, but take your time. If you love something, you do. Take your time. Learn the business. That's the biggest thing I tolerate. Learn the business. Like I say, however far it go. If I could make a hundred thousand dollars off of streaming, that's good with me. Say, 

[00:41:54] DJ And?: say that again. Learn. Know what I'm saying? Learn the. Learn what you're about to jump into before 

[00:41:58] Big Javo: you jump into, before you jump [00:42:00] into it, yeah. I'm good. If I could make a hundred grand a year, that's like a million dollars. Yeah. You know what I'm Yeah, exactly. You see what I'm saying? That's nothing. We got bad too, yeah. Let's not stop matching success. Success is a personal. You know what I'm saying? That's facts.

[00:42:12] Big Javo: Success is a personal thing. Everybody wanna make success. Amount of money, a car or the clothes you wear where you live at everything. But at the end of the day, it's all about, you know who you are as a person. , what is success. , you know what I'm saying?

[00:42:22] Big Javo: Not cause a, this person, that person, I got to, you gotta delete that, delete some of 'em apps off your phone sometimes. Just unplug. , go ahead. You gotta unplug because you gotta get in tune with yourself. You gotta be, you gotta get to a point where you not on the end of every day looking at everybody else's opinions.

[00:42:35] Big Javo: That mean you not taking you, you ain't got time to listen to your own. 

[00:42:38] Ta-Myia: Ain ain't downloading, you ain't 

[00:42:40] Big Javo: downloading from the Lord. What 

[00:42:41] DJ And?: I'm, oh, back to church y'all. We love this. Bring your 

[00:42:44] Skip: full circle. Yeah. Bring your full circle. A good dialogue. Yeah, 

[00:42:47] Big Javo: man. I go to church on Sundays. See I go to I go to Elevation Word.

[00:42:50] Big Javo: Yeah. Right there. No. Yep. I go to Elevation. Great church, great message. Like I tell everybody. it all start with God, you know what I'm saying? , I got baptized when I was 13. I knew at the age of 13 that, whatever I [00:43:00] was gonna do was gonna be something big, and I knew I couldn't do it without my man fact.

[00:43:04] Big Javo: Grown folk talk, right? 

[00:43:06] Ta-Myia: Grown folk. I gotta tell people how to find you. We gotta stay connected. , 

[00:43:08] Big Javo: Instagram big Jao. 55. I can pull up my phone for this. . You been given permission permission five. Facebook you can find me at ja Java Tyro Jameson. My fan page is at Big Java on Facebook, Snapchat.

[00:43:22] Big Javo: You can find me at Java five, five. On Twitter, you can find me at Big Java, Spotify, 

[00:43:26] Ta-Myia: five. And your music, 

[00:43:27] Big Javo: how can we see the music? I have music on Apple Music. You can find me at Apple Music under big Java. You can find me on Spotify under big Java and on YouTube. Excellent. 

[00:43:37] DJ And?: And especially if we have some unreleased things, please send it to us.

[00:43:40] DJ And?: We'll make sure we get on the playlist and then anything you have out already Yeah, we'll make sure we definitely get it there. And then we'll go ahead and listen to it as. So we can get it into our rotations and start getting you some numbers rolling. I always like to tell people, especially in this day and age, I like what you said, like knowing your business.

[00:43:53] DJ And?: Like nowadays, y'all realize technically you don't even gotta go. You don't just get on a playlist. Don't get on a [00:44:00] playlist. You don't, you get rotations the same way. 

[00:44:02] Big Javo: Game. Same. Come on. 

[00:44:03] DJ And?: Game change man. Game change. Good lord. But man, excellent interview today. As always, we love when we can have in stimulating intellectual conversations, especially when we're coming from the heart and talk about things that Absolutely.

[00:44:14] DJ And?: That are current. I know when this airs, this'll, hopefully some of this stuff will be passed, but it'll be something for us to think about and continue to date with us in our daily journey. So I'm gonna go ahead and sign up. Sign off. I said sign off. , I'm gonna sign off right now. Of course. DJ what?

[00:44:28] DJ And?: Got Tamaya. What's up, skip? Yep. Got special guest, Dr. Thunders Holiday in the building. And of course Java. We 

[00:44:36] Big Javo: appreciate. I thank y'all. I appreciate y'all for the pleasure. Been a pleasure, man. Thank y'all for the opportunity. 

[00:44:40] DJ And?: For sure. All right. For another Saturday here with the Hilltop Club podcast. Wanna song off everybody?

[00:44:46] DJ And?: Peace, love, and soul. Be nice to somebody out there that you don't know until everybody around 'em that you love them. Peace. 

[00:44:52] Ta-Myia: Hi.