SPEAKER_04 1:48

Welcome back to another episode of the Hilltop Glove Podcast. It is my pleasure to introduce Shiana Rivers, a podcaster and multidimensional healer who helps people connect to their mind, body, and spirit. With her skills as a therapist, she is able to guide her clients back to their bodies, while as a Reiki master teacher, she helps them connect with their highest selves. Her podcast, Who You Callin' Holistic, explores a range of topics related to energy, self-awareness, and healing, featuring interviews with a diverse group of guests who share their perspectives on what's your medicine. You can follow Shiana on social media platforms such as Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, and Patreon, where she shares her insights and experiences with her followers. We are honored to have Shiana Rivers join us today, and we look forward to learning more about her work and the impact she has on her clients and listeners. How are you doing today, sister? Hi. Excellent. I must go ahead and say, I know who this young lady is. She's actually really cool people, man. I've known her for quite a while. And sadly, I got disconnected from a lot of people because I decided not to be available on the social webs. But recently, I've been getting in contact with people again. So it's nice to see people that I know. And I'm really happy to have her up here today because I think we have a really good thread that we're working through today on service to others and making sure that we're connecting people on a positive um bandwidth, specifically with giving people spiritual nutrition. Um so I think this is right on point and where we need to be today. But how are you doing?

SPEAKER_02 3:17

Thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_04 3:18

Excellent, excellent, excellent. Well, we always like to start off um the first episode with explaining um a little bit of history about the guests. So this way our audience, of course, can get to know who you are, where you come from, and why you act the way you act. I always like to say that. So um, could you just explain to us a little bit of your background, where you come from, where you're raised, and some of your influences as a child?

SPEAKER_02 3:39

Yeah. So I was a military brat. Yes. So I was born in England. We moved to the States when I was I was still a baby. Um, but my mother is still very, very, very British. Um, people have heard her on my podcast saying that sounds like some shit she honest says. Yes, I love it. That sounds like some shit she honest says. I love it. That's my mom. Um, and then after that, raised in South Carolina. Um, and then I went to college at Charleston for a little bit. That's where we met. And I was pursuing like broadcast communications. And then I was like, you know what? Like, I already know people in this industry. Yeah. And a lot of them don't even have degrees. It really is about who you know. So, like, why am I even studying this? Like, if I want to pursue that, I'll do that. So I really wanted to do radio and television. Like when I was a child, I dressed up as Oprah for career day or whatever. Like, look, that was that was my goal. Big O.

SPEAKER_05 4:37

Big O.

SPEAKER_02 4:37

And then when I got to the point where I was like, I don't even need a degree to do what I want to do. But then it was like, if I do pursue radio things, if I do intern somewhere like that, what am I gonna do on the side?

SPEAKER_04 4:51

Good point.

SPEAKER_02 4:51

So then I was like, let me take up massage therapy. Then I'll have uh a skill that I can take anywhere as I pursue this. And then I actually started enjoying massage therapy. And then as I was doing that, I started making a lot of connections in the in the healing community and learning so much more about the body and mind and how everything's connected and the emotions and all of that. And then I was like, um, I guess now I can kind of throw in it's like a full circle moment.

SPEAKER_04 5:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:22

And it was like, if I had done radio things, what would I have talked about? I just would have been one of those gossipers or, you know, had a you have a radio voice. Thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_04 5:33

Yeah, I'm letting her talk.

SPEAKER_01 5:35

I hope I don't have a radio face. That was real.

SPEAKER_03 5:41

You don't have a radio face, it's a Wikimedia personality building. It's really what happened to mass media, is it just got consumed by us making our own shit.

SPEAKER_04 5:51

I remember when YouTube first popped out. I mean, that was one of the things I realized. I was like, well, we could put our own videos out, and I'm watching these videos.

SPEAKER_03 5:57

Do I watch college humor? Come on.

SPEAKER_04 6:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:00

And that's why, like, a lot of times now, like, people be sending me memes, and I'm like, well, this is this is a derivative of shit that we were watching 15 years ago. Yes, yes. But continue, my fault. We'll stop.

SPEAKER_02 6:10

Oh no, that's fine. So, yeah. So then full circle moment, I was like, oh, well, I've made all these connections within my own self and throughout the community. So I can actually speak on this journey and have people share their insights on their own journeys. And that's how Who You Callin' Holistic came into play.

SPEAKER_04 6:29

Yeah, yeah. I have a question about that because I know when I heard the name of the show and I know I listened to the episodes and stuff, and I was thinking about it. It almost kind of reminded me of um how people call people hoe teppers. Did you was that your idea?

SPEAKER_02 6:41

It wasn't hoe tepper, no. It was just like, who you calling a hoe?

SPEAKER_04 6:45

Yeah, who you calling a hoe? Okay, that makes me feel all right, good, good. So, all right, so not not that there's a negative understanding behind holistic.

SPEAKER_02 6:53

Right, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_04 6:54

Because I hope people realize that.

SPEAKER_02 6:55

No, like that, it's like a double entendre thing, you know, because people hear holistic and they're like, oh, you're one of them.

SPEAKER_04 7:02

Yeah, like you're a steak oil salesman or something.

SPEAKER_03 7:05

Even in the community of people that are working with energies and healing and stuff, it does feel like a lot of what's out there is kind of uh shite. Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 7:16

Scamming. We don't want to use that word, we can't do it.

SPEAKER_03 7:19

Well, okay, so it's like, you know, scamming the fine line. Trying to get the money intentionally, right? But then there's also like trying to have a business in the human field, kind of thing.

SPEAKER_04 7:30

Because you have to have funds, you have to make something so that you can take care of yourself. It's a fine line between doing that and then taking advantage of others, right?

SPEAKER_03 7:40

Um, and I think everybody connects in a different way, too. Yeah, some people need that basic, that basic communication. They do, they do, seriously, they do. You gotta, you gotta be able to, you gotta have an on-road to that, to that, to that path everywhere.

SPEAKER_04 7:57

And so, like with that in mind, um, and and I know this is not one of the questions, but this is something I was thinking about, is because, of course, specifically when I was in Charleston, I was really deep into those communities. And one of the things that I always um ran into as an issue was the reliance on the group as almost like a shepherd in the herd, and the fact that they weren't letting the herd be themselves, but keeping them with them so that they could feed off of them.

SPEAKER_05 8:26

And so I always had a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 8:33

Then I could be a cult leader.

SPEAKER_04 8:35

I could so I know there's a there's a number of of uh large brand name cult leaders out here who exist in the holistic world. And my question to you, Shanna, because I don't think that you're a cult leader, is how do those people negatively affect your ability to do what you positively want to do?

SPEAKER_02 8:53

Well, I just reinforce like what what I teach people is empowering themselves and strengthening their own discernment and strengthening their own mental awareness and connection to God or connection to a higher power, whatever you want to call it. I reiterate those things, whereas what I figure cult leaders are are they really are, you know, dishing out things that you are dependent on them. I don't want people dependent on me. Like, yes, I would make bank, I like I would make bank, but like that's not the goal. And I think when people become more aware of their powers or their their strengths, even if they can channel that into service and channel it for good, then anything can happen.

SPEAKER_00 9:46

But let's talk about your powers. Go ahead. Because I want to know.

SPEAKER_04 9:49

Talk about them, talk about it.

SPEAKER_00 9:50

When did you feel the these powers that you have now that you work with?

SPEAKER_02 9:56

So when I was growing up, I was so I'm the baby in the family, but I feel like um I just always cried, but I don't feel like it was always mine. So I think my because we our our family wasn't really, we weren't huggers, we weren't like super lovey dovey. And I feel like, you know, with arguments that happen and whatever, with whatever happens within families, you know, if you don't discuss the things, they they grow, they pile up. And I think I just felt everybody's everything.

SPEAKER_00 10:27

Like an empath kind of yes.

SPEAKER_02 10:29

Okay. And so like I would have wild dreams, I would have, you know, the crying things, I would just feel so much, but I didn't know that's what it was. And then the more I started studying the body, the mind, and the mind-body-spirit connection, then I was like, wait a minute, these this wasn't like a weakness. This is something that I can use like to help me and to help others. So even what I discovered, me crying and whatnot, around the family or around just things that didn't feel right, was more of a clear sentience. Like I can feel what other people feel. So when I would work on them, if somebody was having like a shoulder something or whatever, I was like, I would feel it in my own shoulder. So then I had to learn like what's mine and what's other people's other people like projecting type thing.

SPEAKER_03 11:18

This is this is something that you've helped me with a lot of people. Yeah, actually. Um that was something that I realized um was that I would just be dealing with all kind of other people's traumas. And especially with a lot of work that I do with storytelling and stuff, and people are like, you know, emotionally dumping on you. Right. Well, you know, you know, like like I met a guy last weekend that did 11 tours and his dog did seven, and like, you know, like like the dog saved him and dug him out from under. I mean, like, like stuff, stuff. And I'll be like, oh, that's a really cool story. And then I'll realize that, like, no, that's that's rolling around in your brain for weeks afterwards. And, you know, if you're not consciously deciding, you know, this is this is a movie that I watch, you know, this this is a thing that's not me. Yeah, and then puts it in that little box.

SPEAKER_05 12:09

Yeah, if you're just letting it flow, some of us just it flows all over the place.

SPEAKER_03 12:15

You start absorbing, yeah. But somebody's got to tell you that that's a thing, you know. It's somebody's gotta tell you you need sunglasses before you're just like, I gotta see.

SPEAKER_01 12:22

Right. Like this light is beaming my eye.

SPEAKER_04 12:25

What do I do to fix this? Like it's a tool. Um, and I I like that you I like the point that you said, because I know for our audience, a lot of folks listening, we do have specific episodes that we focus around um mind and body um awareness and health. And I think uh on this episode, this is something that I did want to focus on. Um, is just understanding um Tommy, she beautifully puts the questions together. She makes it sound so eloquent, but a holistic business approach is a relatively new concept that is being accepted by the business world. And so the services that you um offer, they aren't the typical things that people would consider a service. You're more so bringing out of people what they already have.

SPEAKER_01 13:09

Yes, correct? Yes.

SPEAKER_04 13:11

Could you explain that to our audience a little bit so they understand like what he's talking about, what you were assisting him with so they can realize you are not a shisty person, you are not a hustler. Right, right.

SPEAKER_02 13:20

Right. No, I hate the word hustle, by the way.

SPEAKER_04 13:22

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 13:23

You mean rest. Stop hustling. Stop hustling. But no, so like I said, my start was with massage therapy in 2011. So I learned about the body, I learned about pain in the body, I learned about how to manipulate the soft tissue with that. But then when I took up Reiki in 2017, that's when I started incorporating more of that with my work. And as I first started, I was like talking to my clients that have been seeing me for years, like, hey, can I try this thing that I learned? And they're like, what is it? And I'm trying to explain it. And then I still wasn't even comfortable with like my elevator pitch. I was like, I mean, it's it's energy healing. I help balance your chakras. And they're like, what are chakras?

SPEAKER_03 14:03

I'll put my hands over you and you're gonna feel different.

SPEAKER_02 14:05

Right, right. So they were like, okay, but sure, because I had already built a rapport. Yeah, come, you know, they've been seeing me for years. Yeah. So when I started adding Reiki to the sessions, then the clients were like, Hey, I don't know what you did last time, but do that again.

SPEAKER_05 14:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:20

Or they were like knocking out. And I it to the point that they were snoring and I'd have to, hey, session's over. Wow. Uh drooling, just like it was it was a different kind of rest and relaxation and recuperation. And I was like, okay, so there is something to this.

SPEAKER_05 14:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 14:36

And then I tried it out on my friend that lives in LA. She uh, I was like, hey, can I try a distance Reiki session with you? Like a virtual type thing.

SPEAKER_04 14:45

It works. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you don't have to be there.

SPEAKER_02 14:49

No. So you can set Reiki transcends time and space. So you can, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:53

I mean, you should, but like mentally without them.

SPEAKER_02 14:59

So the Reiki. So what I do is I'll send a playlist of healing frequencies. Uh we'll we'll just and like what we'll discuss what's going on mentally, physically, emotionally. I'll usually say, How are you feeling energetically? How are you feeling emotionally? Um, are are you experiencing any pain? And then based off of that, I will set the intention to send the healing to those spaces. I send them a playlist to listen to for the session. And for that 30 minutes of the distance Reiki, I listen to the playlist too, and I focus on those areas that we discussed. But Reiki goes to where it's needed anyway. So I might set the intention to send it to so-and-so's shoulder because they said that their shoulder's been bothering them all week. But the pain really starts in their stomach because they've not been sitting up all week or something, and they their whole posture's off because of that. But then maybe the stomach brings up the emotions that they've been holding in, and the Reiki helps them release that. So they don't have to be next to me, they can be anywhere in the world, any time zone.

SPEAKER_00 16:03

And it's only individual people. Have you done a group session?

SPEAKER_02 16:06

I've done several group sessions. My during the pandemic, I had probably the largest group session, and it was like a, you know, try it out. And I think it was like a pay as you can or pay what you can or free something. And for that one, I even said, you know, at this time I'm gonna send Reiki, just be open to receive. And then people that had never even tried Reiki, they were like, Hey, I slept so good last night, or like, I don't know what Reiki is, but I feel lighter. Right.

SPEAKER_00 16:35

I'm still trying to understand it. So it's like intentionally transferring energy.

SPEAKER_03 16:40

Yes. You are an antenna. Yep. You pick up whatever's around you. So you can pick up the noise, yeah, or somebody can say and send you a signal, a clean signal. A clean signal.

SPEAKER_00 16:52

Oh, okay. So instead of picking it up, she's the signal.

SPEAKER_03 16:54

Well, she's a like that's she's the trans the retransmitted.

SPEAKER_04 16:57

She's picking it up from the universe and sending it back to you. And to have somebody that is trained in the art of doing it, it's just like having a very um good violinist. Like, you know, all right, so you have a violin. You know, you have a little and you hit the little bow on it. Somebody who's bad at it, it's gonna sound like you're scratching nails. Somebody who is good at hitting those hairs properly, you're gonna get a beautiful resonance off of it. Just trying to correct that resonance.

SPEAKER_05 17:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 17:25

And um I remember um because I used to actually date somebody, their mother, she was she was um, she was an RN um and she decided, hey, I'm a nurse, right? And I like healing people physically, but she said there's something else missing. And she actually went and studied Reiki and became um licensed in doing that. And that was one of the biggest things that she would do. Like people tell me, Yeah, I know you're a nurse, I'm not coming here for that. I don't care about you. I was like, yo, this is real because it works. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 17:59

So do you train people or yes? I have Reiki classes.

SPEAKER_04 18:02

Yeah, um, I have totally, we have onset a student.

SPEAKER_01 18:07

Yeah, so the real deal, I would think.

SPEAKER_03 18:12

Good team. Yes, yes. It just it is growing well, and I am enjoying it.

SPEAKER_00 18:16

Yay, yeah. And you perform it on yourself too.

SPEAKER_02 18:19

I do self-reiki, yeah. You have to. I do self-reiki. I like to say I Reiki all the things, and I tell people to Reiki all the things. So I do self-Rakey, I Reiki my bath sometimes, I Reiki my dog, I Reiki all the things. I sent Reiki to this podcast interview, like Reiki all the things. I also just oftentimes I like to say it's like prayer on steroids. Or I know I saw a post that was like prayer on caffeine or something, but I was like prayer on steroids, because it's it's just being very intentional and like moving with that.

SPEAKER_00 18:52

Now, talk about malfashion with tissue with how people keep trauma within their tissue and their body.

SPEAKER_02 19:00

So I'm not trying to know about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's different modalities. Like I said, as I was going along the years learning different things and building with the community, I met different practitioners that offered different modalities. And my fascial release was one that I tried out that really helped me. And they get your health history since birth. Like they ask, you know, did you have a traumatic birth? And what was that like? And for me, I had the umbilical cord stuck around my throat when I was born. So, like, how does that affect you over the years? You know, like and right. So communication and expressing yourself. And I had issues with that growing up. Not I didn't have like speech issues, but you know, just again, I was crying all the time. Like, how do I communicate what's happening? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 19:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:45

And so, like, then I even think about how long it took me to even have my podcast, because I couldn't express myself fully or authentically. But myofascial release works with manipulating the soft tissues from traumas, or, you know, say you've had a car accident or something, our body keeps the score, and often we still have those like react, those knee-jerk reactions within us, even if we're not physically aware it's happening. Yeah. So myofascial release kind of helps expand the areas that were bundled up to give you more space and help reset those tissues from your traumas. You said tissue.

SPEAKER_03 20:23

If you think about it, all the all the like stress really. It doesn't even have to be trauma, but stress we store in our body and our posture and our our way that we're moving, and then that becomes repetitive stress injury and stuff from doing that.

SPEAKER_02 20:36

And leads to chronic issues. Right. And a lot of that's what we're treating.

SPEAKER_03 20:39

We do the same thing in our mind. Oh my lord. Like if you know, when you really focus on on like the the I don't know, geography of your of your head, you know, like you will you will realize where you start to get attention and where you start to get you know stress and depression and all that kind of stuff. And then if you focus in on it, you can set it up a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 21:04

I mean, I work at an orthopedia office, I'm gonna tell you this. We have folks come in and they'll have issues with their shoulder, be tightened on their shoulder, whatever it is, right? And the providers, and this is what's interesting about it, because these fields are changing because this stuff is real. They will send them to a therapist or to have um oh my lord, I'm gonna mess it up. Acupuncture, right? And the people will get angry because they say, Why aren't you giving me drugs? Why aren't you giving me surgery? And the person, the the doctor will, the provider will look at them and be like, hey, excuse me, that's not how you fix this issue. This is not a surgical issue. This does not need oxycotton, you don't need drugs. You need somebody to explain to you what's going on with that body part and help relieve and release something you're holding on to. I can't do it in my office. So I'm giving you a referral. And they can actually give referrals now to healers, which is wild. I mean, even though it's not a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 22:00

But insurance usually doesn't cover this part of the thing. It doesn't.

SPEAKER_04 22:03

So what will happen is not yet anyway. Yeah, not yet.

SPEAKER_03 22:07

Sometimes HSAs cover it too, though. In that part of the plan.

SPEAKER_04 22:10

Because what they'll tell the folks is they'll tell them this, and this is crazy. Again, something that I heard, they'll say, Well, I don't have money to pay for that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:18

And it's trad because they got it for the drugs, though. See, that's the thing. That's what happened. Well, try to get insurance paid for therapy, man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:24

Like there has to be a thing.

SPEAKER_03 22:26

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:27

Yeah. And so what our providers will do is they'll try to find a workaround so they can put a CPT code on it that relates it to a trauma so that they can get coverage from insurance for things that they know are quote unquote, they call it experimental treatment. This is what I'm saying. I mean 19 years old, but whatever.

SPEAKER_02 22:47

Yeah. And I was going to say, seeing a physician could be considered experimental too, because what works for one person isn't going to work for everybody.

SPEAKER_04 22:53

And that's what I tell the folks when they come and say, you know, they're just trying.

SPEAKER_03 22:56

And your symptoms come from different places. Right. Maybe eat taking the drug will get rid of the shoulder pain, but fuck you up somewhere else. Yep. When really you just had some grief you needed to deal with. And you were walking around with your shoulders hunched the whole time because you were stressed out.

SPEAKER_04 23:10

Especially folks who come in um from motor vehicle accidents, one of the biggest things they do now, especially now with the change and things. I'm happy this landscape changed, is that they do not want to provide them with pain medication.

SPEAKER_02 23:21

Good. I'm sorry, I didn't upset sometimes.

SPEAKER_04 23:25

Oh, I took an opioid epidemic. Yes. And it and a lot of those patients will be extremely upset about it because the old mindset and thought is you go to a doctor, they prescribe you a pill, and your your problem is solved. No, they're now taking you in, getting your medical history down, and sending you to somebody who can actually treat you. Yeah. Person usually is a healer. And it's funny because I know these people now, right? And I get to talk to them and they're like, yeah, man, they don't need no drugs. We're gonna send them over here. This person's gonna do some, yeah, we're gonna, they're gonna do this with their hands and it'll be fine. And I'm like, you you're a surgeon like, yeah, but this is not surgical, does not need repair that way. So I know what you're saying, is what I was like, yeah, I like this episode. This all makes sense because I have to deal with this every day.

SPEAKER_02 24:10

But we all do, though. Don't need drugs. We're just not taught, like you said, um, because we've had that conditioning that the doctor knows it all.

SPEAKER_04 24:19

Yeah, and thank you, petrochemical.

SPEAKER_03 24:21

You can't. That's the other thing. You can't self-diagnose. Right. You can't take any action because you're gonna screw it up. And it is, you know, it's almost like they treat your body like your car. Oh. And like like you have to take it to the dealership. You have to get the computer plugged in and all the analyzing done. Sometimes you just need to know how to put some radiator fluid in your stomach. That's it.

SPEAKER_01 24:42

And that's all you need.

SPEAKER_03 24:45

Yeah, I think in metaphor, it's just how it works. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:49

My Mercury's Sagittarius, so it's very like this is this is what I'm thinking. This is what I'm gonna say. Bullet points. And yours is like floaty and yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:59

Uh Aquarius, uh uh, well, it's Aquarius moon, and then uh Torin Rising.

SPEAKER_02 25:05

I wonder what your Mercury is. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 25:08

I mean, without Co-Star and found out, but it's yeah, yeah. What was your bird? What's your what's your side?

SPEAKER_02 25:12

I'm a Capricorn sun, Cancer Rising, Leo Moon.

SPEAKER_00 25:17

I make the wrong Leo energy.

SPEAKER_02 25:19

Okay. Okay. Uh I say compassionate asshole. Yes. Nice. Nice.

SPEAKER_04 25:23

Yes. Sour but sweet.

SPEAKER_00 25:26

Oh, yes, that's it.

SPEAKER_04 25:27

That makes sense. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 25:29

So how important is the representation in your field that you're in now?

SPEAKER_02 25:35

Very important, I think. Right now, like you said, there's that transition happening. But a lot of who I've met in that community, in the healing community over the years, even the instructors that I was like looking into learning from were just very granola white. And I'm here. I'm biracial. So it's not like a I'm, you know, but it's like, that's I I don't even see my mom in that person. You know what I mean? And it's like I don't, I don't mesh with them. So I think there's also just been this demonization oftentimes in the black community of some of these gifts that we have and some of these spirits coming to get you.

SPEAKER_04 26:17

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:19

And like, you know, churchy things. Like, there's a lot of trauma with the with the religion community.

SPEAKER_04 26:26

It's how it's how you interpret the the book, too. The book actually tells you to do what she's what she's talking about.

SPEAKER_02 26:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 26:32

There's mystics in the all kind of thing. Say Solomon would be like, yes, she's right. Yeah. Yeah, no, seriously. There's a big difference between meditating and getting your stuff right and just being like, all right, here's some sacrifice some babies. Right, right. Right. Different energy. Yeah, different energy.

SPEAKER_04 26:47

And I don't know if you want that other one.

SPEAKER_02 26:49

Yeah. So I feel like we just we there are a lot of black healers and spiritual teachers out there, but there's still some hesitation within the black community of seeking those services and questioning those people.

SPEAKER_04 27:03

Do we have one here, a black community of holistic healers that you are a part of? This is a question.

SPEAKER_02 27:10

Yeah, well, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I have like I have a wide network. It's not just black though, but there's like I I have some yoga instructor friends too, and they're very adamant about speaking up on you know, changing that trajectory of things because it's been so whitewashed. So there's there's things happening that's just like pockets of it because it's about to ask you if you do yoga, but then I kind of figured when you was like on your episode, you're like meditate.

SPEAKER_00 27:37

So I'm like, maybe she does do some yoga.

unknown 27:39

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 27:40

Well, I had a yoga instructor on my on one of my recent episodes, and she was saying yoga isn't just the it's not just the physical movements and stuff, it's a whole lifestyle. And she was like, You do yoga. So I do yoga, but just not the same. If you Google yoga and images, that's conquering yoga. Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:00

That's one part of yoga is union of different books and which is what we all do.

SPEAKER_02 28:04

Yeah, yes.

SPEAKER_04 28:05

Yeah, that's that makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 28:07

We're all doing, not everybody.

SPEAKER_04 28:09

I think they try. That's what we were talking about earlier.

SPEAKER_03 28:11

Yeah, that's part of it too, though, is a lot of us were told growing up, and it's not it's not a religion problem. I think it's I think it's like a a left and right brain problem or something that happens with that. But like the idea that everything is conflict, it's good versus evil, it's right versus wrong, it's man versus nature, it's God versus the devil. Man, you look around, that is not what the universe is. It was gray area.

SPEAKER_04 28:40

Like when the lion kills the gazelle, that's not evil or something.

SPEAKER_03 28:43

If you're cheering for the lion to lose, you cheer for baby lions to die. Right. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 28:48

Real talk.

SPEAKER_03 28:49

Circle of lion.

SPEAKER_04 28:49

Yeah. And so um, just just um building on that and jumping into your podcast because we got to talk about podcasts, because we're on a podcast. Hey, um, so as a podcast, um, podcaster, you're creating a community of listeners. Um, it can be very overwhelming. How do you create a safe space for others to discuss their problems and inspire them to take on a holistic approach to things?

SPEAKER_02 29:11

I think because I I do have the experience, and that there are things in my chart too that say, like, this is what I'm supposed to do. Like I really am living in alignment with my purpose. But because of that, there's this automatic feeling of safety in my presence. So people, because I'm one of those people that strangers just tell things to. So there's already that like foundational safety. But because I am very much, I am who I am, and and I live as authentically as I can. And because of that, I think there's just this understanding, like she's doing the work within her her network, she's building these relationships and stuff. So there's this rapport that I have within that community already. And I think that just enables people to feel more comfortable speaking on their stories and their journeys.

SPEAKER_04 30:07

So you have to, again, it goes back to creating a place. This is what again, these threads today, we are on it.

SPEAKER_02 30:13

Building relationships.

SPEAKER_04 30:14

Yes, building relationships, but also because we were talking about this earlier with the elders and the youth, the youth being 25 and under, we have we have registered that.

SPEAKER_01 30:22

Oh, okay. Yeah, that tracks.

SPEAKER_04 30:24

Yes. So, like, especially for the youth, a lot of them, they don't feel that the elders understand or give them a safe or open space to communicate with. And specifically in this field, I think it's very important because not that I'm trying to be maltexonical, but um you want to teach the youth a different way, a better way, if you can, so that some of the issues and sins of the fathers and the mothers can be then corrected. Right. So, in this field, do you see a lot of youthful involvement? And if so, how is that um how's that community? You see what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 31:01

Yeah, yeah, because I know I've been in it, so I already know. Yeah, don't see not much, not no, but they are more open to it. They are very much like, yeah, yeah, try it. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:12

But then your body sort of gotta start breaking before you know you gotta fix it.

SPEAKER_02 31:15

Yes, there you are. But I also feel like, you know, our because I have some friends that have people that are graduating high school already, and they, you know, whether they've taken the the therapy path or some sort of healing, whatever, they've already taught their kids that these yeah. So like it's it is more accepted. Whereas the elders are still like, uh, you know, the problem is witchcraft. Some of them. I mean, I I changed my mom's mind and she's she's Catholic. So Oh wow, you changed the Catholic's mind? Exactly. So, but you know, again, there were there were mystics and how are they casting out them demons through a book of never mind, I'm gonna get to that.

SPEAKER_04 31:56

But yeah, they know what they do.

SPEAKER_03 31:59

Go ahead. I'll get y'all in trouble. Let's get them in trouble. I mean, anybody want to look for things, they can look for things there. Yeah, I don't want to throw things out there because that might not be the thing they need. That's true. There's a there's a lot of noise. Somebody needs it. You know, yeah. Oh, look, look, you're more noise. And some of us are very sensitive to all the noise.

SPEAKER_04 32:18

That's why I'll pull it back. No, I was I was talking to my wife about this because she was like, like this week, I was um I was being very mindful um to making and make making sure that when I was communicating that was necessary communication, that I wasn't just diarrhea of my mouth. Because sometimes I'll just talk to talk, right? Because I like talking. And um, after being sick the past two weeks, I was out of it. Come back this week. I said, you know what? I'm gonna be mindful. I'm gonna be quiet and still this week. So I've been quiet and still all week the best I can, to the best of my ability. It's hard, you know, it's hard for me. I was pretty darn good at it because what I was realizing is I was focusing on what I needed to focusing on, focus on, and I was able to handle the business that I needed to handle. I was knocking things off as best as I could. And specifically this week, I was teasing them I had to go do some catering afterwards. I was doing work for her for this catering stuff, so I was like, all right, I have to be busy, but I don't want to waste time. And so I realized that it was very um, it was very positive for my week. I I wasn't tired. Um, my energy was where it's supposed to be. I wasn't um I wasn't uh doom scrolling. I was actually uh uh present. Yeah focused. Yes. And like the things that I was that I was bringing into myself were things that I wanted to bring into myself that they had intent to. Um, could you speak on the importance of that when it comes to the mind, body, and spirit of having intent in what you do?

SPEAKER_02 33:39

Well, even what you were mentioning a moment ago, the doom scrolling, the you were more focused and stuff, you have to realize how much we are bombarded with information all day. You know, there's not often that we are somewhere and it's quiet, right? Like even at the gas station pump. There's videos on, you know what I mean? Like so annoying. Yeah. Like there's always information, there's always sound coming at you. So you have to learn those practices to strengthen your own, I don't want to say aura.

SPEAKER_01 34:09

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:10

Strengthen your own yeah, to strengthen yourself. Let's say that to strengthen yourself, to move more intentional, more, more intentionally. But even for me, like I set an intention for the day before I start my day. I call in peace and protection. Even for this, you know, I set intentions to to help strengthen rapport and help build community things with what's happening here for all the parties involved. So I think when you move that way, even moving for me, I work a lot with lunar cycles and days of the week and whatnot. And like today, the the moon is in Aquarius, and this this is fitting because we're talking about like expansive things and and community things and technology things. So, like I move knowing some of these other things with the planets and other tools out there to help you move more intentionally, I think is an important piece of what some of us are missing.

SPEAKER_04 35:09

And it's not spookism. And that's why I want people to understand, specifically people who listen to the podcast, because a lot of stuff we talk about is really brass tack thing, brass tack things like, yo, this is what you need to fill out to get your 501c3 started and stuff like that. But this, I think, is just as important.

SPEAKER_05 35:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 35:25

Because you can't get to that point and spiritually and physically, you're beaten down. You can't find the paperwork to fill out.

SPEAKER_03 35:33

It's literally like, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:36

And you can't be there for somebody else if you're not taking care of yourself at all. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:39

Yeah. And so many of especially the women in the community, especially black women in the community, you know, they are they are taking care of so many other people. And I work a lot with other healers. You know, they heal, they're working on other people so often. And it's like, how do you pour, how do you fill your own cup? What are you doing to fill your own cup? And that's why I say on my podcast, what's your medicine? Because there's not just one medicine for people to help fill their cups.

SPEAKER_00 36:07

So, Shiana, what's your medicine?

SPEAKER_02 36:09

I have a few.

SPEAKER_00 36:10

I wanted the action so much. I need a poor perfect moment.

SPEAKER_02 36:15

Yeah. So uh plant medicine, not just not just cannabis things, but plant medicine with herbs. I have herbal, herbalist friends, energy, obviously. Nature is a big one.

SPEAKER_04 36:26

You love you do love the nature.

SPEAKER_02 36:27

I yeah, because I I think some of it's out, like I say, I'm an earth sign, so like that I'm in my natural element. So I have to go on my nature walks, and it just technically in our natural element.

SPEAKER_03 36:39

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But it's yeah, that for real, because like we're stuck in a city a lot of times, and the the animal part of your brain starts like I keep breaking out my animals. We're animals. I keep telling people we're concrete. But but you you can't just put an animal in a in a concrete box and be like, oh, it's fine, here's a TV. Like, it's an arc. I mean, it's it is all of us if we let it be. Like you could be in the most beautiful middle of nowhere. And if you are doing the COVID life in your house doing the shut-in thing, like, oh like you, but as soon as you're out there and the things are going and the birds are doing their thing, like like it starts to unwind some of that stress. Oh, oh, everything's not falling apart, everything is doing what it's supposed to, and growing, and it helps you ground yourself, and that's what a lot of us need because when we are moving, like you said, you are moving often in your mind, you're always in your mind at the speed of light.

SPEAKER_02 37:38

Yeah. So nature walks help us connect to the earth and get us out of here and back into our bodies. And we need that. These are things that we weren't taught growing up. Like, yeah, go outside for a little. I mean, we were going outside. Yeah, we didn't know why. Like, we need to be outside.

SPEAKER_04 37:55

We had to know why it was so important for us to be out there all day, grandmama. I can't come inside of you the bathroom. No, no, and then you're wondering for us to think we thought they wanted us to be quiet.

SPEAKER_02 38:05

They were teaching us, they were teaching us, they were teaching us, and then you're an adult at the at the computer desk all day or with no windows, or whatever the case. And you're gonna be able to do that. I'm lucky I have windows.

SPEAKER_04 38:14

I have windows, I'm lucky to have a lot of things. And then you're like, why do I feel this way?

SPEAKER_01 38:18

Go outside. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 38:19

I go for my walk every day um for lunch. People are like, are you going to eat? I'm like, I may get something to eat. My big thing is not to eat. I just want to go. I'll go outside and I walk them out. Done, you really went and walked, yeah, and then I run up the stairs. Rent the stairs, yeah. Why not? I gotta get it.

SPEAKER_00 38:32

10,000 steps a day.

SPEAKER_04 38:33

Come on, get them in.

SPEAKER_00 38:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 38:34

Well, we are coming to that part of and that portion of the show where it's time for you to do your shameless plugs. And so we want you to tell people um where they can find you, how they can get in contact with you, how they can even um get some of your services and et cetera. And just tell them about some current or future projects that you're working on.

SPEAKER_02 38:51

Yes, I'm Shiana everywhere. It's easy to find me on purpose. Spell it for me. Spell it for it. S-H-E-A-N-A-H. Like tell people like Shay Butter, but nah. Yeah, yeah, but better. Thank you. Um, and it's not Shay Na, but Shiana. And so I'm most active on Instagram. I've got my link tree with all of my my links to connect with me on there. Obviously, my podcast, who you call it, holistic. Yes. And I often have classes. I'm offering other classes in the future or soon. Let me not even say in the future. And I am working on a book.

SPEAKER_04 39:29

Oh you gotta come back when you get that book out.

SPEAKER_02 39:33

Yeah, it's it's funny because I even had a guest that said, he was like, Do you have a book in the works? And he did astrology reading things, but there were things in my chart that said you need to have a book on metaphysics things. So there's a book in the works, but yeah.

SPEAKER_04 39:50

Please keep us up to date. You better.

SPEAKER_00 39:51

I mean, we can help you support you, brand you.

SPEAKER_04 39:55

Yeah, whatever you need, man.

SPEAKER_00 39:56

Yeah, I love to tap into my powers, you know, so I'll be hitting you up.

SPEAKER_03 40:02

Uh-huh. Yeah. You said try.

SPEAKER_00 40:03

Yeah. I'm all here. I'm here, huh? There you go. Do or do not. There is no try. I am.

SPEAKER_02 40:09

You're actively working on it.

SPEAKER_04 40:10

Me, you are. Well, we are so happy to have you.

SPEAKER_02 40:13

Thanks again.

SPEAKER_04 40:14

It's always good to have um like friends on the show. Like when we have people come through, we've seen a lot of new faces. It's always good to see old faces. Please come back. Come on, please. No, in the sense, in the sense of, in the sense of not like old. What do you say earlier about a radio face? Of knowing who you are, having some background. Um, it's always good because uh it leads to a um richer conversation. Yes. Because I don't have to just ask you about where were you born? How do you call it tell me that that's for them?

SPEAKER_03 40:41

We try not to dive too hard into our personal networks because then it just becomes like a all of our friends. And then when we do have somebody we know on this, it makes us happy.

SPEAKER_04 40:51

It feels good. It feels good. Well, for the Hilltop Glove Podcast, DJ and what? Tamaya, Mike, and our esteemed guest, Shiana. We thank you so much for joining us on this episode. Shouts out again to Celeb Studio, Chef Jay and her husband for having us here at this beautiful uh location to actually film and record. Um, it's located at 224 O'Neill Court, suite 19, here in Columbia, South Carolina. Um, if you have any events, things that you want to do, please, please feel free to come by and shout them out. Another phone number is here at 803 665 5265.