SPEAKER_04 1:45

Welcome to another exciting episode of the Hilltop Glove Podcast. Today we have the pleasure of speaking with the remarkable Dr. Tina J. Ramsey. Dr. Ramsey is a best-selling author, homeschooling advocate, and media strategist who empowers entrepreneurs, educators, and families through her global platform, CTR Media Network. As the CEO and founder of several ventures, including CTR Homeschooling and CTR CARES, she impacts millions worldwide with her dedication to education, media, and community development. Her mission is to help others be seen, be heard, and be amplified on a global stage. In addition, we are thrilled to have Michelle Green with us. As the founder of Kingdom Builders Business University and the visionary behind KBCR and KBCDC, Michelle is a dynamic entrepreneur, speaker, and mentor. She equips leaders with strategies to grow businesses, build legacies, and create lasting impact. Thank you for joining us today. How are you two sisters doing?

SPEAKER_00 2:54

Great. Awesome. Thank you for having us.

SPEAKER_04 2:57

Man, we appreciate y'all. I know we always start the episode with the most important question to ask anybody that you don't know. Where did you grow up? And what was your background like? Um, and I guess we'll start over here with with Dr. Ramsey.

SPEAKER_01 3:15

All right, well, I grew up in a small town uh called Bennettesville, South Carolina. So yes, Bennettville, South Carolina. Now I am, I do not have any brothers or sisters. I'm the only child. So I grew up being very independent because I had to be independent. I didn't have brothers or sisters to rescue me, so I had to learn how to be self-sufficient. Uh with that being said, I was inspired by a lot. I didn't realize then, but now I realize it was the inner workings of me being a podcaster, interviewer, and being in media because I love hearing people's stories. So even though I played like every other child did, but I spent most of the time with the older people. I I was very curious about how did the books actually make sense for a real person who actually lived during that time period. So with history, I would read about different things in history and I go to the older people like, did this really happen? What happened? What what how much did bread cost back then? You know, different things like that. And so uh I was able to learn a lot quicker because I was always around older people.

SPEAKER_04 4:32

Awesome, awesome, awesome. Now, with that being said, like, did you hang out with your grandparents a lot?

SPEAKER_01 4:39

All the time. Okay, you know, and I am so blessed that I was even able to meet my great-grandmother. Oh wow. My grandmother. So I I didn't understand at the time how valuable that was until I grew up and I started talking with other people, realizing that they didn't have a chance to meet some of their grandparents. So um, having that wisdom, uh hearing them, and being able to, I I look at it as living through their eyes, hearing their stories, and being a carrier of what they went through and making sure that I share with all the other relatives. So I look at it as an honor. So, yes, I spend a lot of time with my grandparents. A lot of time. That's good, that's good.

SPEAKER_00 5:23

How about you, Michelle? I am from a small town called Antreyville, South Carolina. We learned about it.

SPEAKER_04 5:29

We learned about it before that. I didn't know where that place was. I didn't know nothing like that.

SPEAKER_00 5:34

Um, we just made the map a few years ago.

SPEAKER_04 5:38

Now this makes sense, y'all. I didn't look this up before we started. So um, as of the 2020 census, they had 147 occupants in that town. So that makes sense. Incorporated with another town before you all Belt and Honey and Path.

SPEAKER_00 5:52

Oh, so that's where you are. Okay, that's what you're doing. Um Calhoun Falls, okay um Dew West. All right, I know all those questions. Yes, Anderson, all connected. We're like in the center.

SPEAKER_04 6:04

Good, good, good. How was your um your upbringing? Did you have any siblings?

SPEAKER_00 6:08

Oh, I'm also an only child on my mother's side. That's right. My father's side is about 17 children.

SPEAKER_03 6:19

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_00 6:20

That part.

SPEAKER_03 6:22

May I add?

SPEAKER_04 6:23

I asked y'all before if y'all had children. Talk about ass, but 17 children.

SPEAKER_00 6:27

17.

SPEAKER_04 6:28

Not including you. Including me. So you have 16 other things.

SPEAKER_00 6:33

That's correct.

SPEAKER_04 6:34

Where you where do you fall at in the line? Are you the oldest, youngest, middle?

SPEAKER_00 6:36

Um somewhere in the middle, um, probably around number seven or eight. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So the oldest ranging almost 67. Uh, and the youngest being about 33. Wow. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 6:52

How how all right, how how was that dynamic growing up? Like how your relationship with your older brothers and sisters and your younger, like well, the the thing about it is I didn't grow up around my dad's side.

SPEAKER_00 7:03

I only met him when I was 17. Oh, okay. So from 17 forward, you know, got a chance to meet another sibling, seems like every year.

SPEAKER_05 7:11

Oh, okay. So this is random. So we have so my brother and I, we have a good friend of ours. Yeah. He grew up in a very similar situation. And then he didn't meet none of his siblings until the funeral, until his dad passed. And I remember years ago. You you know, you know the friend. Uh he was, and the guy walked, and the one is this random. He said this random guy walked into it, was like, hey, I'm your brother. And he was like, um, with that said, so so those so those 17 uh those 16 siblings, so they weren't located like they weren't, they didn't live near you?

SPEAKER_00 7:44

No, they live in the Greenville area. My dad is from Boston, Massachusetts. So he came down here and they they're mostly in like the Greenville area, but we're scattered all around.

SPEAKER_03 7:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 7:55

Some in Atlanta, Georgia, some are in like the upstate, some are in Virginia. They're we're just everywhere.

SPEAKER_04 8:03

Hey, that's how you're supposed to do it. Go forth and be fruitful, right? Here we go. Here we go. We take that to heart. Um now, obviously, uh one of the things that we want to discuss, and I mean we do have uh books here on the table as well, but um want to talk about media, uh specifically how it plays a central role in informing the public about what happens in the world, um, specifically in areas in which the audience doesn't possess direct knowledge or experience, which is one of the reasons why we do this podcast, why we think it's so cool. Um and I guess we'll start over here with Ms. Green first, if you could just tell us more about your process of helping entrepreneurs and transforming their ideas uh to reach a bigger audience.

SPEAKER_00 8:41

Sure. Well, I originally started out as a financial advisor. Ooh. And um that grew into a love of learning about why are people, you know, not knowledgeable about their finances. And that grew into a love of budgeting and managing money. It also grew into a love of credit because that was one of the components that most people did not have knowledge of. They had credit, but they didn't know how to manage their credit, they didn't know what to do with their credit. So I opened up a business. I actually didn't open up the business right away. I just started doing my own credit because my mom had ran up some credit cards in my name.

SPEAKER_04 9:21

I didn't say that. I'm looking over here, man. I'm looking over here, I didn't say nothing about that.

SPEAKER_00 9:26

Yes, she had ran up some credit cards in my name before I turned 18. So that's real.

SPEAKER_05 9:35

Nah, that's real. Speak on it. Speak on it.

SPEAKER_00 9:38

This is true. This is true. So those credit cards that she ran up in my name when I got ready to buy my own house, I was 1.2 children in the process. And, you know, I went and tried to apply for a home, and the guy was like, No, ma'am, your credit is horrible. I was like, how can my credit be horrible? I don't even have credit. Like, I got like three things. Yeah. So I found out through my mom, she had a book on credit. I learned and mastered everything in the book that it taught. And I went back in three months and I was able to buy my own house. So I started doing family and friends and assuming, you know, being in your early 20s, you're assuming that everybody knows all of this because everybody knows everything, right? But wrong. So by the time I got to, you know, being in the workforce and different things like that, got into a job at Verizon. Anyone know about Verizon wireless? I'm not gonna say anything about that. Um, but anywho, um, I was at Verizon. I was trying to figure out exactly what do I need to do to get out of this job. And a friend of mine that was working next to me, she was like, Hey, do you know anybody who fixes credit? And so I was like, Yeah, give me $20. I'll go ahead and fix your credit. So I did, and then three months later, she went and told her whole family. I got $20. Okay. So from there, I opened up the credit repair business. And being in the credit repair business, learning actual it was different from being as a financial advisor because as a financial advisor, you're an independent contractor. So it's kind of like you work for a company, you come under the umbrella of someone else's business. But being in my own credit repair business, I was able to actually learn the ropes of being a true entrepreneur, and that was very different from being just a financial advisor.

SPEAKER_04 11:33

Good point. Good point. I want to get back to that one. Okay. I know it's coming. Yes. I want to let Dr. Ramsey go if you if you would just talk about your process and how you jumped into the entrepreneurship.

SPEAKER_01 11:44

Well, I started in education. So mine is a little bit different. It wasn't finances. I started in education because I always wanted to be a voice for the voice list. So I started with early childhood development, went to school for that, and then I started teaching in special needs class. So I wasn't a special education teacher. What I did was I was a behavior specialist. So I would go into the classroom with everyone to figure out what was the breakdown of communication between student and teacher. Okay. Student and other students, and the administrator team and the whole faculty dealing with the overall communication of that particular student. And then I will also go and work with the families of the different students that I was working with. So I was pretty much became part of the family. Now, from there, uh later on, fast forward, marry, have children, and all that, uh, I ended up, my one of my children was diagnosed with autism and what they call medical sensitive. And that actually led me to homeschooling. Okay. Because I had to figure out a way to homeschool him. Could I really do it? Having all the questions that we have about homeschooling. And during that time, it wasn't popular. Okay, it was not popular. So I come from a very strong, opinionated family. We we either military or we're educators, you know, we're professors, we're teachers, you know, community leaders. So when I went and said homeschooling, they was like, You're being radical. I mean, what are you doing? What about socialization? So I did it anyway. And eventually what happened was one of my friends told me, you know, you're very good at building out curriculum. You're very good with uh teaching and helping. There's a lot of parents need help with children with autism, even if they're not homeschooled. You should start a YouTube channel. I'm like, uh uh. No, ma'am. I'm not starting a YouTube channel. Like me and this heavy Southern Twain, them people are gonna come after me like crazy. You know, I'm not doing it. But it was a challenge. I like a challenge. So I ended up didn't know what I was doing. Let me just say that. I didn't know what I was doing. I had a little, I don't know if you guys uh know about this brand, but it was called Sang Yo Camera. Oh, I know it's Sango. Okay, yeah, Sango. So I had a little Sango camera, and it will only allow me to record nine minutes at a time and it'll pop off. So, you know, it turned all the way out. So literally, I had to learn how to condense, building out curriculum, explaining about autism, and all these things within nine minutes. Which I was like, how am I gonna do that, right? And so basically, it taught me how to get to things simpler and faster. Uh, it opened me up to another world. It took me, once I start seeing how media works, because I went from unseen, unheard to seen and heard, and now people saying, How can I buy? How can you assist? How can you consult? I was like, wait a minute, what is this? Yeah, you know, and so what happened was eventually I say I had no aspirations becoming an entrepreneur. It kind of found me. And with that, I did not know anything about entrepreneurship. I mean, for the for the first beginning, I wasn't even doing it right, you know, from the paperwork standpoint, because I just didn't know what I just didn't know. But then I then we got the LLC and all that good stuff like that. And it just blossomed into podcasts, TV shows, media, how to use social media, and that is how CTR Media Network was birthed because people were saying, hey, I need help getting my message out there. I need help with what is social media, how can I do this with my business? So that's basically how I kind of I'll say my businesses found me. Yeah, I didn't go out seeking it, it kind of birthed through what I was going through in the moment in my life and it kind of built, and I realized there was people that came along. I didn't know they were called mentors then, but I know now, uh, that said, hey, you should do this. Start a YouTube channel, hey, you need to do that. And I listened, and over time I met various different people that helped assist me because I did not do this by myself. I did not do it by myself, that actually helped build me up to who I am today. But I am still a person learning, building, scaling, and growing. And it's something that is constantly, I'm constantly working on day by day. But that's basically how I came into media and how I help other entrepreneurs, podcasters, TV hosts, or educators understand the power of it and how it can expedite whatever it is that you're doing, and it can make you that thought leader, that influencer, and build that credibility that equates to monetization or cash in hand. When you when you do it the right way and you do it consistently. And so, and I teach them how to own ownership of their content. Because now, since content is king and queen now, there are some shifted people out there that understands that we saw something last night. Uh-huh. And they will say, I have an opportunity for you. And you don't, you you go by what they say. But when they hand you a piece of paper, forget what they said. You need to read the fine print because I teach entrepreneurs and podcasters what I actually went through with almost losing all of my IP intellectual property, and how I had to literally get a lawyer to fight for my name, like Tina turned on. What's love gotta do with it? Like you can take everything, you can take everything, but leave me with my name. Okay, I love it. Okay, and so I just helped them so they can, while you're out here doing it and making an impact, don't lose what you're working so hard to build.

SPEAKER_05 17:54

That's a good point. So I got a question for you guys. And this is actually perfect time to talk about this. And because you guys, um, when it comes to content, you guys are really you guys converge on a lot of different things. Of course, the media aspect is one, but entrepreneurship is one. And one thing that I would love to get clarity on, I know our audience would as well. What is the difference between ownership and entrepreneurship?

SPEAKER_01 18:20

How did you start machine? Yeah, just getting our piggyback.

SPEAKER_00 18:25

Well, I think entrepreneurship. Um, my uncle, when I was um about 13 or 14 years old, he was like, You're gonna be an entrepreneur. So I think entrepreneurship starts from a place of nothingness. It starts from just an original idea, something that you know is not passed down to you because ownership could be where someone is passing their business over to you. But entrepreneurship is just that raw, nitty-gritty, you know, original idea that, like Tina just said, you know, Dr. Tina just said, just kind of stumble upon being a business owner.

unknown 19:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 19:06

And I want to build on it because I was waiting for I want to hear because I want to hear what both of you all said about your your beginning. And um there's something interesting that both of you all said is I thought this was very good, is you didn't have any backup. It was solo dole. You were on your own. And I want you to build on what you're saying alongside not having those folk in the back corner doing all of those things for you as an entrepreneur. How is that different from you just joining an organization or an already built structure? Because I think it's important for the audience to understand this.

SPEAKER_00 19:43

Oh, it will test your character, it will build your character, it will let you know who you actually are, you know, because you're starting from some from nothing, and you have to create everything, you have to do everything. So it's not like you've got a whole team that you can just handle.

SPEAKER_04 20:02

Because I look, I tell people nuts and bolts, man. The nuts and bolts, it scares people, but sometimes you need to be scared so you'll be prepared, right? So, like when you're starting, especially doing um the credit. Yes, you don't have any other business. It's you by yourself.

SPEAKER_00 20:15

It's just me.

SPEAKER_04 20:16

What would you have wanted to know in advance of starting it that you think would have helped you out?

SPEAKER_00 20:21

How much money I was gonna need to put out.

SPEAKER_04 20:23

There you go. That's important. So, what did you think you needed?

SPEAKER_00 20:26

What well I came from humble beginnings, Antroville, South Carolina is basically farmland. I was raised on a farm. So I knew about how to work hard. Okay. And that is an ethic that you definitely need in order to be an entrepreneur. Okay, because you're starting from nothing. So the consistency of not quitting, you know, if things get hard, you're gonna need to keep going. You're gonna need to, you know, persevere. You're gonna you're just gonna have to tough it out, you know.

SPEAKER_04 20:58

Yeah. And you're making it from scratch.

SPEAKER_00 21:00

And you're making it from scratch.

SPEAKER_04 21:02

So you don't have the same type of insurance as a uh a large corporation. No. You don't have advisors, you don't have administrative personnel. Talking about with you two, you ain't had none of that.

SPEAKER_03 21:14

Mm-mm.

SPEAKER_04 21:15

Did you did you wish that you had those things?

SPEAKER_01 21:18

Well, personally, me, I didn't know that I needed them. Because I'm coming from a place where we're educators in my family or we're military.

SPEAKER_03 21:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 21:28

And so or you work in a factory. I would say that the third one. And so my whole what I saw was working for someone else, being an employee. Being an employee. So when you when all your experience is being an employee and you go into entrepreneurship, you go in it with that same employee mindset, but it does not work with entrepreneurship. And I had to learn that the hard way because you can work and work and still don't get paid when you're an entrepreneur. Okay. Work and work and don't get paid. So you need to understand that work don't all the time equate money. Okay. And so I had to learn that. And no matter how good my work is, no matter how consistent I was, I had to make sure that my brand sound, my voice connected with the audience. Because you can have the best product, the best service on the planet. But if people cannot understand what it is that you do and how you can transform them their life from doing whatever it is that you have, they're gonna go, they're gonna keep scrolling to find what they can get. You know, that it's not gonna be you. And so when I say ownership, you were talking about ownership earlier. Ownership is two types of ownership. The ownership with what Michelle was talking about, where uh you come in and somebody passed the business down to you, which is oh my god, it's so good because they already went through all the things. They went through the hard stuff, everything set up, you know, everything laid out real pretty with a nice bone top, you know. You can take your little nice CEO photo, you know, something in her office. You know, you gotta put off this, all the work's been done. But then when we're talking about content, because I'm a I'm gonna switch it to content because that's what I do, because she's all about the entrepreneurship and she can get down to a nitty gritty. But my thing is media and education. So that's why I'm getting ready to talk about this ownership with this. Now, the ownership, I did not understand it.

SPEAKER_03 23:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 23:39

Okay, I did not understand it until I got into a situation where individuals were trying. To take my content. To take my content because I didn't realize the influence that I had.

SPEAKER_03 23:54

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_01 23:55

Okay, I'm over here just trying to make an impact, want to help people, uh, and teach them what I do and have no idea. So I would say for entrepreneurs, do not go out there creating all this content without having legal advice. You need legal advice. When you are creating content, when you're going on other people's platforms, that is why CTR Media Network was made. It was to be a safe haven for content creators for them to be the owner of their content. They can still come and put their content on CTR, and we put it out there on TV and podcasts and magazines and all that good stuff like that. But we do not take their intellectual property. They can take it, they can shop it, and they can put it out wherever they want. But I tell them this if you decide to be on CTR and also go on other platforms, which we do not tell them, we do not discourage them not to do it, but we tell them read the fine print.

SPEAKER_03 24:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 24:59

From my experience, your content is digital real estate. And if you don't own it, if you don't put in copyrights, trademarks, somebody else will. I'm not giving y'all legal advice. This is just for educational purposes only. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 25:29

I know for the disclaimer.

SPEAKER_01 25:31

Disclaimer. However, from my experience, you can find yourself when you're out here creating all this stuff and people start paying attention to you. Because once you start doing media, you start getting more visibility, then you start getting more visibility, it attracts good and bad. You can end up not owning yourself.

SPEAKER_04 25:49

Dang, you make that sound like a 360 deal.

SPEAKER_01 25:53

Yeah. I'm being honest with you, right? I want the viewers and the listeners to understand that you don't need to go out in this time without having your process together. We could get away with that 10, 20 years ago. But now, oh, you better not do that. So take the time to learn not only about building your content, becoming that business owner, but also how you can protect it. Because that is legacy. The protection of what you're creating. And then Michelle, she kept you lock it up, make sure that it's with the government and all that stuff. I don't do stuff. No, but it's perfect. It's perfect. It's perfect.

SPEAKER_05 26:30

I don't do that. I don't do that. She does that much. I think that's great though that you brought that up because I think a lot of times. Like, so when we go in a community and we and of course we talk with people about the hilltop glove or just podcasts, just content creation in general. You have a lot of people who are interested in doing podcasting or content creation, but they're just looking at a they're just going A to Z and they don't think about the steps in between. Right? And then that's the part, and you know, sometimes I feel so bad talking to people and explaining some of the things, you know, when I explain some of the things that you have to do to get to certain points within the alphabet, and it's like you can see their faces just get slow down. Discouragement. Discouraging. But just like like what you said. Um Dr. Tina, it's about just be like helping them to be be successful. It's like you don't want someone to go into something and you don't want them to fail. No, that's all. You want to be successful, you want to get something out of it. And I think what you're sharing is definitely very important.

SPEAKER_04 27:35

Now, do you two have any tips or pointers to our audience or even resources you could tell them to check out that would help them with information or education regarding being educated on how that process works of protecting yourself?

SPEAKER_01 27:49

You can talk from a business perspective.

SPEAKER_00 27:51

I'm gonna talk from a meeting. Yes. From a business perspective, Kingdom Builders Business University was birthed from the credit repair business that I had because I started talking to a lot of people about, you know, they them being a business owner, truck drivers, different industries all over the world, um, because we service people everywhere. And they started asking me questions, you know, like how could you be in business so long in credit repair? Because the business opened originally in 2006, even though I had been doing it for like 15, 20 years prior, just kind of, you know, hit or miss, like talking to people here and there. But they wanted to know how did I last? So, from a business perspective, you know, started the Kingdom Builders Business University and it just took off. And so inside of the courses, we have business setup, which teaches you setup and security. A lot of people just cater to setup, but they don't understand the security aspect of being a business owner at all. Okay, so that is very important going into the statute of limitations, understanding uh your licensure, your permits, your zoning if you're talking about getting an actual building, um, your contract agreements, as she said, um, just different things that you know that you really kind of like have on the back burner. You like, I heard of a copyright infringement, but what does that actually mean? And how do I go about getting that set up? We do all of that at KBBU.

SPEAKER_04 29:30

Wow, so you all educate, teach, and show the process.

SPEAKER_00 29:33

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 29:34

I think that's so important because obviously it's not that everybody's lazy, but it's not that everybody's lazy, but there's there's a this is this is process, you know, there's a process of like learning to ride a bike, right? Yes. So you start off with your little tricycle and then you get your little training wheels on a regular bike and then you ride off, right? I think everybody should understand that people will need training wheels and that little tricycle sometimes to start when it comes to business because you may not have the mindset or the mechanisms to say, hey, I'm gonna go ahead and stare through these 10, 15 pages of contract and make sure that I'm set and ready to go. You might need somebody to come and help push you through it or show you how to read and understand the language before then you can pick up and be like, I got it. I can put this stuff together, I can put it together myself. I know tools that will put it together for me. And I think you all were talking about some of those things when we came in, when I came in earlier. But um now on the media side, what kind of things are we looking at?

SPEAKER_01 30:29

So, what we do in particular with CTR, me and Network, we are primarily a teaching platform first, um, even though most people come to us for the content. But being from my experience, I teach them about protection, I teach them about ownership, I teach them about copyright, I teach them about trademarks. Although I am not a lawyer, I'm teaching you from the perspective of what I went through, and then I connect them with um real legitimate lawyers.

SPEAKER_02 30:55

That's what I like to hear.

SPEAKER_01 30:57

Real legitimate lawyers, not somebody just read a book, yeah. You know, somebody who is a real lawyer that can actually help them through the process, but also certain things like copyright. I just want to say this, entrepreneurs, and not just entrepreneurs, but podcasts and content creators, it does not take a lot for you to protect your information. Okay, for example, you can go to copyright.gov and you can go and it costs about maybe $65 for you to copy your manuscript, turn it in, copy your manuscript, and put it on a Google Doc, make it into a PDF form, and upload it to the platform. $65. That's not expensive. That's not expensive because the reason why I feel like most of us are not doing it because we're afraid. Yes. Yes. We're afraid of what's gonna happen, we're afraid of how much it's gonna cost. Now, when you get into trademarks, that can get up there a little price, but typically it's trademarking is not expensive, about $375 per category. But the thing is this, it's it's more when you get a lawyer to help you, but it gives you confidence to know that it's done right. Okay, that it's done right. And so um there are platforms like um marbleism. It is an AI-generated software that can actually create a team for you when we're talking about solopreneurs, where it has a social media marketer, a blog writer, it has um you can bounce ideas off of. It also have uh a certain uh AI person, well, artificial intelligence, that actually can you can drop your content or your your legal contracts inside of it, and it's designed to let you know to find the holes to explain it. That's awesome. Yeah, it's called marbalism, and it's about can you spell that? Like M-A-R B-I-L, I mean B L I S M. Marbellism. Okay, and it literally um is about maybe $39 to $49 a month, and it can actually help uh make your workflow better. And also, I have a lot of this information in my books. I tell people I always leave breadcrumbs for individuals who take the initiative. I have a lot of free courses, things that I charge a good coin for, but I put it for free because I want to see what you're gonna do. Because people don't pay attention until they put some, like we cover up in Bennettesville, South Carolina, put some skin in the game. True. And so even if it's only $20, you're getting way more value. And so I so you'll see in the back of all my books and in our magazines, no matter if it's CTR Homeschool and CTR Media, we always have some stuff. Everybody wanna know what tools you use, what tools you wear? Did you buy my book? You wouldn't have to do it. Because I mean I just left it all in there. I mean, it's in there. So um with that, I would say the tools are out there. You just need to drop the fear because it's more of a big problem when you do not do this and somebody get it to you. Because I would say this because I learned from experience. Copyright work like this now. Back in the day, copyright work, okay, you write a letter, or you put your thing in there, which you want to protect, you send it out to yourself, you mail it back to yourself, that's old school. Yeah, yeah. And then it's copyright. Well, let me tell you something, that ain't how it goes no more. You know, so you need to go through the process because it's not about who made it first, it's about who copyrighted first.

SPEAKER_04 34:43

That's a good point.

SPEAKER_01 34:45

Um, it's different now, and it just changed about five, seven years ago. Yeah. So it's it's relatively new, and most people still thinking on that old stuff, and it's it's just not relevant. It's not gonna be something that's gonna uphold in court.

SPEAKER_04 35:04

There you go. And it's so it's so quick to do nowadays. Like you said, if you drop that ball and someone else wants to pick it up and they're willing to do that legwork, they will beat you to the punch and they will take your intellectual property.

SPEAKER_01 35:18

They will.

SPEAKER_04 35:19

And you'll have no recourse.

SPEAKER_01 35:20

Nothing. And because it's not about who did it, it's about who get to it first.

SPEAKER_03 35:25

There you go.

SPEAKER_01 35:25

And it's I don't I mean, it's not fair when you think about ethics and morals and values, but this is business.

SPEAKER_04 35:34

Yep. That's what Diddy would say. Um I I I just thought we're gonna um just moving on.

SPEAKER_01 35:41

Um I don't like it.

SPEAKER_04 35:45

It's how it works. Um uh talk just talking about a little bit about monetization. And I know you were speaking about this earlier, and everybody loves the idea of monetization. Who doesn't like getting some coin, right? We're talking about arbitrary college.

SPEAKER_01 36:00

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I will say this.

SPEAKER_04 36:04

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 36:07

Looking at y'all.

SPEAKER_04 36:08

Go ahead, look at them.

SPEAKER_01 36:09

Okay. You cannot go from a period of nothingness like she was speaking to me. Zero content, zero ideas, zero concept, and you think just because you thought of something, it's going to register with everybody else. Okay? It does take time, it takes effort for you to monetize your content. Uh, but that the good thing is it's so many AI operated tools that's gonna help you be able to get there quicker. Uh, and another good thing is that most people do not do, and I will say this for any small, I'm speaking to small content creators. You look over affiliate marketing. How many times we're using these mics? We're using computers, we're using uh, we're wearing merch, other people's stuff, and you're just giving them free advertisement.

SPEAKER_04 37:10

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had this conversation.

SPEAKER_01 37:14

Okay, these companies are looking for you. And it's not, they're not looking at how big your numbers is, because most of us have the misconception, I can't do this until I have at least a hundred thousand or million followers, and then I can do it. That is not true. It is a thing called value marketing, and value marketing is what small content creators should be focused on because it's about the value that you bring.

unknown 37:43

Good point.

SPEAKER_01 37:44

The value that you bring, not the numbers, all these different subscribers, which some of it is fictitious instant, but we need to speak on that. We ain't gonna get on that today.

SPEAKER_03 37:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 37:56

But I but I would say this value marketing is the way to go because it's the value that you bring, the concept, the idea, the audience that you do have, and that is monetizable. The rule of thumb is this for every one person that you have on average equals one dollar. Okay, so if you have 200 people, that's $200. Yeah, that's how they're looking at it from a marketing perspective, just in case you didn't know. And so, of course, based upon what the value that you're bringing, it could be more per person, but on average it's a dollar per person. Now, when you're thinking about how many platforms you sprint across, because each platform has a different price point. Okay, so if you're giving people access to Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, LinkedIn, all these places, they're all separate prices. Okay. And monetizing, okay, affiliate marketing, like I said before, is good for you to do because you don't need a high following in order to do it. They usually set people in to do it. We we advertise in anyway, so why not? Why not? Okay, it's not something that we're not doing. Number two is learn to get to to package your things, like an interview or studio time, you put a price on it. If you're a little uncomfortable about I don't know how to price it, this is what I did. I went and Googled what is the standard pricing that is fair, it's fair of what I'm doing. So if I am like if I have a studio, like what is the fair market price, what uh the average person is charging for that? Yeah, and I look at what it is from a world standpoint, then I narrow it down to my area. Because the world where everybody else is charging worldwide is different from because you got to take into account where you live at your location, and what can those people really have. What's the average income, you know, per household? And so based upon that, you set your pricing and you go out and you market and you put um you pitch it to the different people who you feel that your services is better. Um, door to door, going from from door to door and going from different shops, handing out old flyers, okay, talking to people, that still works.

SPEAKER_05 40:12

Go ahead. I was told what you're gonna say.

SPEAKER_01 40:15

I like talking to people. That still works, and and it and it gets you because a flyer don't have personality, but you do.

SPEAKER_03 40:24

True, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:25

You do, and so when people want your service, but they're buying it because they like you. Because they want to connect with you, and so if you remove yourself, then you're making it harder for yourself. People opt into what I do because it's something that they liked about me. Okay, and then my services can come transform their lives. But initially, it's because I like you. I like you. It's something I like her, yeah.

unknown 40:52

I'm gonna do that.

SPEAKER_01 40:54

And so go in with that and get used to hearing no. Get used to hearing no because you're gonna hear it. You're gonna hear it. And um, let the no's make you strong because eventually you're gonna get to the yes. So, ownership, monetization, and of course, I got other different things in my books about how you can do it because it's so many.

SPEAKER_03 41:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:13

I mean, we can do a whole show just about that. It's just so, so, so many. And all of my stuff is geared towards small content creators, not the big pe the big kahunas, because at the end of the day, people are following trying to get them. I'm talking about the everyday people doing extraordinary things that is putting in the work, putting in the time, investing in whatever it is that they're doing, and they're not being compensated. Those are the people that I help.

SPEAKER_04 41:38

I know I wanted to put in this, I'm happy you said that, and you're talking about the little guy and how the little guy affects it. And I just want the audience to know, too, that even the big guys are picking up on what you're saying because what we're seeing now, especially in certain industries where you have groups that you're specifically marketing or advertising to. And I'm happy you said value marketing too. This this ties right in. I'm perfect. So you have large big kahunas. What they're doing now is they're realizing that based on the economy, that people can't do what they used to. And they're actually scaling down to get more structured groups. And what I mean by that is you'll have somebody they can they can have like a million fans or whatnot, right? A million fans. We don't know if they real or not, right? But they have a million fans. They don't worry about those million fans, they want to have 1,000 consistent fans who will spend $100 with them over a 12-month period. Because what that does is it puts them in a six-figure earning range. That's it. They don't care about all these other people. They're like, what are you serious? No, they don't care about them. If they get them, cool, it's bonus. But they're looking for 1,000 people that they can just focus on. And this question now is gonna bounce off to you, especially with what you do. Do you look for consistent people to be involved in your business? Like, are you looking for consistent customers or for you? Because it's a different type of business. Once you finish getting somebody's credit where it needs to be, helping them out financially, do they leave you and depart, and you now have to find a new person to replace that income?

SPEAKER_00 43:22

Now, with the credit industry, of course, that's a no-brainer. It's it's just people are always gonna come into that industry because everybody needs credit. So I don't have to go out looking for people. And once you build a reputation from the consistency, then you don't have a problem with people coming back to you being repeat customers and things like that. So I don't have a problem in that field. But I did want to speak to monetization from the aspect of being a business owner. You know, what one of the things that we really don't understand about life as a business owner is that we need to legitimately become a business owner.

SPEAKER_02 44:04

So legitimate business, yes.

SPEAKER_00 44:09

Legitimate legal business owner. You really we really need to understand that it's not just about, like Dr. Tina is saying, you know, being out there as a content creator, that's fine, a podcaster, that's all fine and gravy, but the ultimate game to play is to go from being a person that's working for someone into developing your skill set, your gift, your talent, and then going from there to being a solopreneur, um, learning your craft, actually, you know, mastering the things that you do, and then from there going into a business owner, but a legal, legitimate business owner, not a mom and pop shop, not where you're not an LLC, you're not a corporation, you don't have any of that, you're just a sole proprietor.

SPEAKER_05 44:55

I have a question about this. And this is something that comes up, I know this comes up a lot, it's at least to me when it comes to business ownership and entrepreneurship. It seems like sometimes you have people that are drawn towards entrepreneurship because they have there's this misbelief that they don't have to answer to anyone. Yes. Especially in our community, we get a lot of that.

SPEAKER_00 45:24

Yeah, and and that comes from I that's a part of my podcast, right? But seriously, it is um something that I spoke about early earlier in the day before I met Dr. Tina about going from employee to employer. It's not the same concept, and you you said that earlier, is that You cannot go into being a business owner with the same mindset you went into being an employee and deciding that you're just gonna wake up one day and you're not gonna have anybody tell you what to do. You don't have to answer to anybody. You know, you can go to the bathroom when you want to go to the bathroom, you can go eat when you want to go to the bathroom. Like that is not the ultimate deal of being a business owner.

SPEAKER_03 46:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:07

And a legitimate business owner, you're gonna have to work a hundred times as hard as you were working for someone else. Like it never stops. You are constantly, even in your sleep, you're thinking about entrepreneurship. You're thinking about your business, and especially once you make it legal so that you're not looking over your shoulder and you paid your taxes and you got your protection and you take care of your investments and you do all of these things as a business owner. You have to make it legitimate in order for you to maximize monetization. It's not just about you being in front of a camera, it is about you legally leaving a legacy, and that's a part of what we teach at KBBU.

SPEAKER_04 46:53

And so you do have to answer to a lot of people as a quote unquote boss.

SPEAKER_00 46:59

Yes. Yes, because your clients are now your boss. That's my all right.

SPEAKER_04 47:03

I'm happy you said my hand.

SPEAKER_02 47:05

That's a perfect way some audience can understand it.

SPEAKER_04 47:07

Um, and and that's one of the things people do like sometimes about the protection of being underneath the umbrella, is that you have somebody doing those things for you, so you can just go out there and operate and work. But obviously, you want some quote unquote freedom or control freedom of control, that is, you're gonna now have to pick up that mantle and carry it. Yes. Do you all like carrying that mantle?

SPEAKER_00 47:29

Well, it's challenging for me. It's it's it's up and down. Okay. You know, my moments too. It can be a blessing and a curse.

SPEAKER_01 47:38

Sometimes I say, what was I thinking?

SPEAKER_03 47:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:41

I mean, the comfort of knowing that I get paid every Friday.

SPEAKER_03 47:45

See? Yes.

SPEAKER_01 47:46

I get total pay if I come in on the holidays, you know, or total pay after so many hours. Um, 401k, you know, having all those things, it is, I would say, a luxury.

SPEAKER_03 48:01

Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:02

But then when you consistently, like Michelle was saying, work on your business, you have all the process together, and then you go out and you provide your value, and then it is compensated.

SPEAKER_03 48:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:16

Like you can literally replace what you make in one day. I remember the first time I replaced what I made in a day working for somebody else in one hour or less than like 30 minutes. I'm like, can I did I just make what I made in a whole day? And then when I made what I used to make in a whole week, in like an hour, I was like, oh my God, this is the best thing ever. But again, I was saying that it's not like you're not gonna have days like that all the time. And you have to be willing to work even when no one sees you, even when no one's appreciates you, even when no one's watching. You have to still be working. And you still have to pay for the things that you need to do in order to keep it safe.

SPEAKER_04 49:07

That's what I'm about to say. So you're getting away. No skills, that overhead will come. It's going out.

SPEAKER_01 49:10

It's coming. Whether you made something or not, you gotta figure it out. And so uh, yeah, so but I mean, I go through it, like I tell people all day long, I'm not gonna act like it's all peaching and cream all the time because it's not. But then when I think about um just the overall picture, I am happy that I be, you know, I have my own businesses because it does give me freedom that I wouldn't have if I'm working for somebody else. Uh and it gives me the opportunity to be creative because I am a creative. And we don't really like to be boxed in all the time when we are creative. So it gives me flexibility. Um and it just allow me to, I would tell anybody with entrepreneurship, you always need to do something that you would do even if you didn't get paid. If you're just doing something just because it's trending, just because it's popular, you're not gonna make it. It has to be something that you truly is bringing value to the community of what you're trying to serve, that you really enjoy. Because there are gonna be more moments in the beginning that you're not getting what your worth is.

SPEAKER_03 50:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:24

Will you still keep going? Do you believe in what you think you say that you're supposed to be doing? Yes.

SPEAKER_04 50:31

That's true. And I I I I know we're about to run short on time, but I gotta ask this question because this thing's sitting in my mind. Especially with you two sisters sitting here, I have to ask this. In the last year, this is talking about entrepreneurship, you making your own things and etc. And like, is it a good option? There has been an increase in unemployment for black women specifically. Um, there have been some changes made and things that have happened recently where a lot of black women that were in six like six-figure jobs and etc., they lost those jobs and they're now out back in the either in the job market trying to figure out how to get another job that would be comparable, or they're faced with going into their own business and being entrepreneurs. That's why it's really cool having you all here to talk. So, with with that being said, are you all aware of that? And do you have any comments on that and things that that like words of encouragement that you might be able to get to those folks as they're looking and seeking ways to pivot?

SPEAKER_00 51:37

Well, I think um we're just in an era where unemployment is increasing. I think that we're getting back to the way that things used to be, where we're exchanging and we're trading off our gift, skills, and talents for you know, money in exchange for whatever it is that we can barter or you know, things like that that we can do. And I think that that's really important for us to do because that originally is the ultimate. Yeah. To be an investor, to be a business owner, that is really where you want to be and have that luxury, like we were just talking about. Some of it is freedom, yeah. But it's a lot of responsibility. So once you carry that responsibility, that you know, that's good. But yeah, I do think that we are, you can look at it from a negative standpoint, or you can look at it from a positive standpoint. And I think that we all need to brush up on the gift, skills, and talents that God has given us. I think that we need to really begin to expand in the arena of what is it that I really have on the inside of me? What is my why? Why am I doing what I'm doing? What am I good at? What makes me passionate? What makes me cry? You know, why why have I been so catered to this passion? Why have that have why have I done this all my life? You know, and I do it with such joy, with freedom. Like, I just do it just because, just like credit for me. It's just like, okay, let's go. Let's get this credit score up to 800, you know? But hey, $20 off $20. Not for $20.

SPEAKER_05 53:16

Yes, today's price.

SPEAKER_04 53:20

Okay. Cyber Monday specials or anything comes up. Um, I agree with you. Yeah, I agree with you. I didn't think it was, you know, I don't want to look at things as in a negative value, um, in a negative mindset, but I thought it was interesting because like you have all of these well-trained, highly skilled individuals. They're not out here free agents. You know what I mean? I was like, this is a very interesting time. I like your take on it, though. It's a great take. Great take on it.

SPEAKER_01 53:43

Thank you. Well, I actually have an experience with that, with a client that was working for a very well-known company, a very well-known bank, um, and she was in corporate America, and they let her go. They let her go. And what happened was I listened to her because not only is she a client, but she was a friend first. Okay. So she always saw, she saw the building the ground, what I did with the business and the businesses. So she came to me, which I thought was like, wow, man, you work for a lot of these. We're the big conglomerates. You coming to meet your marketing? I'm like, okay. So basically, what I told her, I said, Do you realize that what you did for corporate America is transitioning entrepreneurship where you can actually turn that into a business, what you was doing for them, wait for them to pay you. People can people are actually in the marketplace looking for what you do. And so she was like, I never thought about that, but how can I do it? I don't really understand. I said, first of all, breathe. You do not need them. You got comfortable. You got comfortable. And now, since the rug was kind of pulled up from other people, now you're like, What do I do? You do your own thing. That's what you do. And so I'm happy to say that she has her own business now. She's been a year and a half in. She has uh she was listening to all these gurus on different things. I said, Listen, stop listening to them Instagram gurus. Number one. Uh, and I gave her, she actually called me yesterday and she was like, It was, do you remember this advice you gave me? And I'm like, No, I don't remember. She said, You remember when you told me, Why are you looking for because she had just lost three clients with her new business? And she was like, I don't know what I'm gonna do. The contracts didn't pan out. And I was like, Why are you worried? I said, if you pray to God for just one contract that that helps provide for all your needs, yeah, why are you worrying about if you have three, four, five? You may not, you don't may not have the bandwidth to handle that anymore. Okay, and I say, so just look for that one client that can do all the things to provide for your life. One, and that is sufficient. That is an entrepreneur. Okay, we have come with this conception or concept that if you have one client, oh, you ain't no real entrepreneur. Um, listen though, you have to start with one first. But if that one does everything, why you need more? Why you stretching yourself out? Why you spreading yourself in? So guess what? She has that one client. That one client now, she worked for them a year with her own business, getting a hundred percent of the profit and not a portion. And now they just hire her in without her even asking more than sisviggers into her working for them in-house now. And that all started with a big conglomerate pulling the road from a bunch of her. She went and I told her about starting entrepreneurship, helped her out, of course, helped her with the marketing and the media side, because podcasting and stuff like that. Um, and then now, because she has the visibility, she has all this stuff, right? She did her own thing, and now they extended it, and now they hired her in, and she didn't even apply for the job. It was like, listen, we we love what you do. I was like, Yeah. So for all the ladies out there that you feel like the world is coming to an end, honey, that was just your that was just your confirmation. You need to do it yourself. You need to do whatever you were doing that held value for that company, that helped them make their numbers is the exact same thing that you can do for yourself and get the 100%. Why sell it for 30 or 40 when you get 100?

SPEAKER_04 57:51

Work for somebody else's dream when you work for somebody.

SPEAKER_01 57:53

Put your own name on that leatherhead.

SPEAKER_04 57:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:57

I mean, that's that's the problem. I mean, it's okay, your problem solved. Go ahead. You're welcome. Go ahead. She says, that's what they need to do.

SPEAKER_04 58:07

I agree with that, man. Um, I just wanted you all to speak out because I was like, oh, that's a perfect question. They're coming in, they'll be able to speak.

SPEAKER_01 58:16

Don't come to me for this. You go to her to setting up the right way and get your credit, and I'll put you out there with marketing and media.

SPEAKER_04 58:21

There we go.

SPEAKER_01 58:22

I don't do that part.

SPEAKER_00 58:24

Not only that, I stay in my lane. The life balance of it all, you know, that's another problem that we don't understand. We become entrepreneurs, but in KBBU, Kingdom Builders Business University, we have a business and life management course where we teach you right before we go into Dr. Tina's portion of because she works at the school in marketing and media. So, right before we go into that, we actually teach you how to manage your life and your business together. And that's not something that a lot of entrepreneurs know a lot about.

SPEAKER_04 58:56

No, they're just kind of like question. That's our last question. I always like to ask this question, but I knew y'all think it was right off money. You gotta balance the life and the work. Yeah. You have to. A lot of those folks coming out of those corporate jobs, like I said, they're so used to giving all their time away to those folks to do things. That that you normally that work life balance is horrible. It is that learning to correct it so you can be an entrepreneur is a bit of a difficult task, you know?

SPEAKER_01 59:21

You have to because you'll bring yourself out really, really quickly.

SPEAKER_04 59:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:24

Because you know if you don't work, you don't eat. And so the fact of the matter is you keep you it can bring on a lot of stress. It can bring on a lot of anxiety, a lot of panic, sleepless nights. And so I really love what KBBU does with the life balance because that's something that most people are not even thinking about. You know, they they're feeling these feelings and they don't understand what's going on with their body, start doing different kinds of things. You'll be like, wait, wait, what's going on? You know, I'm breathing hard. And so the fact that the school brings that to awareness, and and I'm all about the media marketing education. However, I'm about my my core is making sure that your foundation is solid. What's going on mostly with entrepreneurs now is that they want to do media marketing first. And you do not do media marketing first, you get your foundation, your structure done first, your foundation, media and marketing and monetization is the walls, the roof, the windows, the fixtures in your home. If you have a mansion with all the beautiful fixtures and the latest whatever, and it's on a sand floor, who wants that? Okay, so that's what entrepreneurs are doing because they're trying to skip steps that you can't skip and then they have to go back and fix it, which costs more than doing it the right way the first time. And so that's what I that's why I decided to collaborate with her business because I realize that media and marketing, we all need it. We all have to have it, and we all need to be educated for what we do, but we also need to make sure we have that foundation, that structure, that legal piece component done because you will be, it will come back. It will come back. And so that is what she does. And so I I will also tell the entrepreneurs as well look at podcasts and TV hosts to collaborate with businesses that are essential to make it's a good compliment for you. Like this collaboration made sense because we compliment each other. Yes, because I can not do without her and she can't do without me.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:50

Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:50

And I'm not trying to play in her sandbox and trying to do her thing, she's not over here. But we compliment because we realize we need both. And so that's why I said, so find yourself somebody to work with.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:01

Man, that man, y'all are on point.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:02

You can't do it by yourself.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:03

Y'all are on point. Y'all are very impressive. Um I know we have to wrap up, but uh before we do, obviously, I told y'all y'all get a chance to do this. Shameless plug. Um go ahead and tell people about where they can find you, how they can get your services, how they can get these books, this information that they're gonna need.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:20

Okay. All right. So for me, it's um Kingdom Builders Credit Repair for the credit industry. And then it is also have a nonprofit organization uh where we teach uh business from a kingdom perspective, a kingdom of God perspective. And we have uh Wednesday Bible study, so that's Kingdom Builders Community Development Center, or you can find it at www.kbcdc.org. And then we have the business university where we also help people with business credit, business vendors and suppliers, as well as um funding for grants. So all of that's included in the business university, and that's www.kbbc.com. Right on the money.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:10

All right, so I help businesses as well as um podcasters and TV hosts take their idea to concept to amplify so they can be seen, be heard, and reach millions of households through the power of podcasting and TV. Uh, you can reach us at uh www.ctrmedia network.com. That's CTR Media Network.com. If you are already have a show and you want it to be distributed, or if you want to start a show. We also have a variety of different teaching tools, which we call our curriculum, quote unquote, where you can find our books such as Visibility is New Currency, The Power Podcast, and the list goes on. Just Google, just Google us, you'll see all the stuff. Uh then we have um Ctrhomeschooling.com, which is the place where we help uh parents who want to homeschool their children and de-stress the homeschooling process and have a supportive community. We have about 29,000 homeschooling parents worldwide that we help them um homeschool, and I'm all about having your foundation straight, so I made sure that legally you're doing it right. So CBC won't come in and take your babies. No, because once you have them in the public school system, they're now a number attached to some money, and that's a whole nother thing. Just go to CTR, CTR homeschooling.com, and we help you with that. And my specialty is helping parents with children that have ADD, ADHD, autism, developmental delay, special needs, bipolar disorder, uh, anything that's dealing with what we can, what the world calls mental illness, but I show you how it's really a strength. I show you how it's really a strength. And then we have our nonprofit organization, which is called CTRC.org, because we care about you so we can collaborate with nonprofits like Michelle Greens and other ones in the community to connect the community with the nonprofit, and then we connect nonprofits with other nonprofits so we can connect on this the initiative of what's going on in the community and what their needs are, and then we give out and do whatever needs to be done in the community because it's a disconnect. We have a lot of different things going on, a lot of different amazing nonprofits, but the people, the community, don't know. And they are missing out on these resources and this help. They think they're alone, but you're not alone. And so that's what we do with Ctres.org. So we absolutely love what we do, and I want to thank you guys for having us today.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:40

Thank you for being patient with us today, too. Um before we finish today, I didn't do this at the beginning. Shout out. Yes. Celep Studio. So we are filming today in the beautiful Celeb Studio um location here in Columbia, South Carolina. We're located at it's located at 224 O'Neill Court um Suite 19. Um the phone number, if you want to book this space for use, um I know we actually work along with Chef Jay and Mr. Nate. Um, Mr. and Mrs. Etherage, they're awesome folks, awesome individuals that work with us for a while, and we do appreciate them. Um but this space is available for booking. If you do want to use it for gatherings, um, studio events, etc., you can call at 803-665-5262 website. Um, but I can go on a peer space.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:32

Yeah, Peerspace. So if you go on to Peerspace.com, um, you can go to our website and the app, you can go into Columbia South Carolina Podcast, and this beautiful space will show up. Yep. Um you can book the space, um, minimum two hours. The reason why we do that is because we actually want you to create content and to create podcast episodes. Not just come in here and create one episode and disappear and never be seen from again. Or you'd be successful at it. Um and so the great thing about it is you get us um to help, because of course we set up space for you, but also we provide some consultation and guidance too on making it successful. So we've recorded over 160 as of today and other events as well, other podcasts to work on. So we've we've doing this for a while now, so we've done what we're doing. So I'm confident to say that. So, yeah, so definitely um yeah, reach out to us. Um, and like I said, um, I just wanted to thank our guests again. Thank you so much. Uh Ms. Green and then um Dr. Ramsey as well uh for dropping some um jewels on us for real. Answering a lot of questions I know um we have and a lot of our audience has as well. So we appreciate it.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:36

So um signing off for the Hilltop Glove Podcast is DJing what? Skip. And our esteemed guest, Michelle Green and Dr.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:46

Tina Ramsey.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:47

We thank you so much for joining us. As I like to tell everybody, tell somebody next to them that you love them, that you appreciate them. Then to the next episode. Have a blessed one. Peace.