Welcome And Guest Introduction

SPEAKER_03 1:45

Welcome back to the Hilltop Glove Podcast. Today we're thrilled to welcome back the inspirational Tanisha Hall, better known as Queen It Shall Be. This remarkable poet, arts activist, and innovative entrepreneur is the mastermind behind in all seriousness games and the creator of the captivating Hymn in the game. Queen It Shall Be isn't just a name. It's a testament to resilience. As a mother of three, she has woven her narrative throughout the threads of hardship and triumph, rebuilding her life after enduring abuse, divorce, and the loss of everything she once held dear, including her home and the familiar pieces of her past. She doesn't shy away from the gritty truths, but instead offers a beacon of hope by showing that healing can be accompanied by laughter and that rebuilding is possible amidst life's most unexpected plot twist. After facing homelessness, discovering the profound strength of community, and the courage to seek help, she continues to inspire women to continue their journey. Her philosophy is simple yet profound. Healing should be honest, a bit chaotic, but always enriched by community connections. And starting anew is a beautiful act of creation. And if that isn't captivating enough, Queen's passion for dance and black culture has inspired her to design two exciting board games for families: Flavor, the game, and Spades Coach. These games promise to bring joy and connection to living rooms everywhere. Join us as we delve into the vibrant and creative mind of Queen It Shall Be and catch up on her latest endeavors. How are you doing today, my sister friend?

SPEAKER_00 3:36

I'm doing well. Thank you so much for having me. I missed y'all.

SPEAKER_03 3:39

I know, right? I know, it's been a minute. Oh, and I have to say at the beginning, because it is what it is, again. Women's History Month. March 1st. Some very dynamic female women, uh guests, and uh uh speakers today. I I will say it's always nice to have a friend. Yeah. Come and speak with us. And especially for us to have repeat guests because that means we must be doing something, right?

SPEAKER_00 4:10

I love y'all.

SPEAKER_03 4:11

Right?

SPEAKER_00 4:11

I love y'all. I was like, oh, okay. No, I gotta get back over there. Now I made it my business to keep in touch and say, Yes, exactly. I'm ready. Whenever y'all are ready, I'm yeah.

SPEAKER_07 4:23

Thank you. I'm gonna appreciate you for doing good. It's been a day, a full day of recording. So this is our last episode. So we get then. I get to close it out?

SPEAKER_03 4:32

Yeah, we get to close it out.

Origin Story And Many Hats

SPEAKER_07 4:34

All right, all right.

unknown 4:35

Let's go.

SPEAKER_07 4:36

So we we usually like to start off an episode for people who aren't familiar with you. Can you tell us a little bit about yourself and your journey?

SPEAKER_00 4:42

Okay. I am uh I'm known as your friendly neighborhood unicorn. True. Um, I am a Brooklyn native. I've been here in South Carolina for, let's see, my oldest is 24 now, so 23 years. Yeah. Um, so half my life. I've been in the South. Um, can't seem to shake that Brooklyn accent. I'm okay with that. But when I go back home, they think I have a Southern accent, and I'm okay with that too. Um I am a uh oh man, uh I like to think of myself as a glitter enthusiast. Uh I am a um I'm a joy seeker. I am a poet, spoken word artist, uh dancer, instructor, tabletop game developer. Now moves into a uh social media game developer. Oh yeah, I know. I knew it had to be coming. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely. Um, oh my gosh, what else do I do? Uh I'm an arts activist. Uh mom, sister, um yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm a Jacqueline of many trades. Yeah. And a color for being. Yes. Yes. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 5:54

Are you an only child?

Finding Family And Building A Tree

SPEAKER_00 5:55

No. Not at all. I get do I give that off? No. Okay. No. This is for an audience that doesn't know you. Yeah. No, I have uh 10 siblings. I'm the second one. I'm the second oldest of 11. Yeah. Leading her. Getting busy. Yeah, but what's funny is I wasn't raised with any of my siblings. I was raised as an only child. I'm actually still looking for four siblings. Really? Uh, I've met, yeah, I've met six of them. Six of us know each other. Seven of us, including me, know each other, but we're still looking for four. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 6:27

I gotta ask this just because I never asked this part about this. Different mother fathers?

SPEAKER_00 6:34

Yes. Um, so all by my mother. Okay. Um, so there's different fathers. And oddly enough, I love telling this story. Um, I met my father in South Carolina in my 30s. Wow. Yeah. And he's from He's from Brooklyn.

SPEAKER_05 6:52

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_00 6:53

Yeah, yeah. So um when the universe moves, it's gonna move how and how it needs to move. And and I did not expect, I have a whole nother person tattooed on my back as my father. And then when I got here, um, after I met one of my siblings, uh, some years later, we were um, you know, now we're on social media, it's easier to connect to people and stuff. And someone reached out, said one of my brothers, and said, uh, I'm your dad's niece. They told the story. My brother called me, he said, uh, how much do you know about your father? And then I told him what I knew. He said, You might want to ask our mother uh some things because I think we have the same dad. I asked. Eventually, she came out, told the truth, and told, and then I met my father, who was actually fun fact, I used to, when I started my spoken word career here in Columbia, South Carolina at the art bar, yeah, my father was working at the hotel on Jervey Street.

unknown 7:44

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 7:44

Wow the whole time. So every Tuesday night I was out there, my father was around the corner working, and I didn't know. Yeah, so then I met him, and uh it I see where I get a lot of things to be from. I see where I get my love of music. Um, I found out that uh for the first time in my life I was able to get some information on my family tree. I was able to see my family tree and see uh six generations. So I've been learning more about myself by discovering where I'm from and and who I come from and stuff like that. So yeah. So short answer, second of eleven.

SPEAKER_03 8:21

Wow, that's powerful. That is powerful. Now, uh since you talked and started this part about your ancestry, I have to ask this are you the person in your family who's trying to build a family tree? Are you the only one, or do you have other siblings and family members who are assisting and helping you with it?

SPEAKER_00 8:40

Well, I found from my dad's side of the family, I found out that his um his side, they're very interested and forward with wanting all of us to know who we are. So on his side, there are people that are interested in a family tree. On my side, through my um my birth mother's side, I'm pretty much the only one. I'm the one that wants to know. And I actually want to have a book. Like I would love to have like a big book of just of stories of us so that we can go back and reference to it and and be able to see some of the accomplishments that me made that we've made and even some funny stories that we could pass down and stuff like that. So I'm the I guess I'm the family historian. That's all I was wondering.

SPEAKER_03 9:21

So you're that you're out, you're solo dolo?

SPEAKER_00 9:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:24

Go ahead with your bad self. I appreciate it. Shout out to Skip. Skip y'all own it. He'd be doing the same thing. That's the goal on it. It's necessary, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 9:31

Um, you know, creating your family history. It doesn't matter what age you are, but to leave something behind is better than nothing. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:39

Yeah. Because we all want to know and we wonder, like, I wonder where we got this from. Or I wonder who else used to do that. So I found out that my um my dad's father was a jazz musician, and I got to actually see a black and white picture of him holding his saxophone and stuff. It look it's so cool. Uh it's it's things that you would see like in in other uh uh publications that's not your own. So to know that you have that connection is really, really, really cool. Man. Okay.

What Kids Need Most Right Now

SPEAKER_03 10:07

Damn, that blew my mind. That is awesome. Um, so obviously, you're you're no stranger to children. No. And the youths. No. So this question, I think this is a this is a great question. I was trying to figure out why this was here, and this now it makes sense. So, what kind of support do you think that kids need most right now as they navigate changes that are going on in the world?

SPEAKER_00 10:36

That is that is a good question. And thank you for sending me um the questions that you did because it really got me to thinking about it. And um, I appreciate me for being the hero that I wanted to see when I was growing up. I I look at me all the time and I'm like, yo, little me is loving this. It's even after everything. So um, and one thing that I know little me would love is knowing that I'll say it like this. When my daughter, um, that's my youngest baby, uh, when my daughter was about, I'm gonna say my maybe 10 years old, she asked me about my history. And I, you know, I let her know about my past, about, you know, being um semi-abandoned um by my birth mother and stuff like that. And and growing up and all the a lot of the hardships that I went through. Is she at the end of it? I want to say I probably talked to her like an hour straight. The fact that she was still listening to it, 10 years old was wow. But at the end of it, she said, Wow, you have the perfect origin story to be a villain and you choose not to be. And I said, Yeah, on purpose. Uh 100%. So I would say that what children would benefit more for more from is a consistent example of kindness. Um, we get a lot of you gotta be this, you gotta fight, you gotta, and yeah, and I just believe in fighting different.

SPEAKER_06 12:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:00

So I I I just I it breaks my heart. My daughter's in high school now, and it breaks my heart some of the things that she tells me, and some of the things that she's experienced. And I'm just like, man, if kids just had more examples of kindness, like real world in their face, kindness that would do so much. I think about music, and um my whole family is musically inclined. Uh, my oldest son makes music, he's a great artist, um, up and coming. And I listen to how he, yeah, I listen to how he how he raps and his bars and stuff like that. And I'm like, and I look at other artists and I'm like, imagine what they would do if they were allowed to rap about what they really wanted to rap about and be celebrated for. Like, if one of them got the chance to like just really either be uh vulnerable about their feelings or nerd out about something instead of trying to look cool or trying to look tough or trying to look like, oh, I do this so I could knock somebody upside the head and do blah blah blah blah blah. Like what, like, what would you do if you were able to be happy and make something?

SPEAKER_03 13:02

Didn't have to carry a stick.

SPEAKER_00 13:03

Yeah. So I'm I'm big on that. I kindness is so important. That's why I'm I'm love and joy forward focused. And I want to make things specifically for my people that that put that out. So kindness. Every time um I directed a camp last year. Every time I saw a kid, I they got a smile for me. Hey, how you doing? You okay? What's going on? One um one child, and and I understand why, it was heartbreaking, but she asked me, Why are you always asking if I'm okay? I said, Because I care if you're okay. She's like, I don't uh it almost annoyed her because she didn't hear it. And I would ask every time I saw kid, it wasn't just that one child. Every time I saw it, you good? Because I want to make sure you're good. Yeah, and if you're not good, how can I help you be good? So you can go out and be good.

SPEAKER_07 13:56

Oh I love that. No matter what you've been through, I've always seen you be a light.

SPEAKER_06 14:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 14:03

That's what I love about you. Thank you. Yeah, you're always a light. But um, going back to kids and your kids in general, how do you um I guess encourage the cre for them to be creative, creative, and authentically themselves?

SPEAKER_00 14:18

Um I would say I lead by example. Um my children tell me often they see me. Um, and I let them see me. I let them see me grow up. Yeah. I don't act like I have all the answers because I don't. And I tell them when I don't, and they actively see me trying to get the answer instead of being mad that I don't know. So when everything through everything that I've been through, and I'm sure you'll have questions about some of those things, I dance every single day. I have not missed a day in all the time.

SPEAKER_03 14:55

She watches.

SPEAKER_00 14:56

I haven't missed one day through everything in seven years. So they see me show up to do that one thing that might seem insignificant to anybody else. They're like, they know that that makes mom happy. Mom's gonna make time to do that one thing every day. And they either they'll either move out of my way and let me do it, or they'll participate with me. So that's that's something that I don't stop. If it's if it's positive, I'm we're gonna figure it out.

SPEAKER_05 15:23

Positive patty.

SPEAKER_00 15:24

Positive patty. Yeah, yeah, and positive patty too, because I'm uh because I'm gonna make it hilarious in the end. But yeah, we're gonna kill them with kindness. I do, and then sometimes I ain't so kind.

SPEAKER_03 15:36

But but but you know you want to be killed with kindness.

SPEAKER_00 15:41

Sure.

SPEAKER_03 15:41

That's what you want. Or you can choose with it.

SPEAKER_00 15:43

Or we could or right. You can choose the other side. I say I'm equal parts, Claire Huxtable and Cardi B.

SPEAKER_03 15:51

Yeah. Woo! All right, I like that. I like that one. I like that. Now, I with what you were saying, I I had to ask this question because I know you kept you're talking about kindness. Where does compassion fit in into this for you with your kindness? Because like when you were, and I just want to jump back on what this young young lady that you were speaking to, and how she was like, Why do you keep asking me? Why do you keep asking me that? That also shows like a person who has never seen compassion. Right. Yeah, they're they were unable to receive your kindness. Where do you think compassion fits into your your overall being and program?

SPEAKER_00 16:25

Oh, well, for one, there was a lot of things I had to unlearn when it came to compassion. For one, I had to understand that it's not a weakness for me to be compassionate. It doesn't mean that I'm opening the door to be taken advantage of. It means that I'm authentically choosing that side rather than sticking with a guard up for something that I could be closing the door to. If I was on the offense of that student that was like, why you gotta do this? And I go back and forth with her, what is that gonna do? Now she's now she's just seeing that. First of all, I like being different. I don't want to be the same. If this is your example, if what you always see is negativity, yeah, I'm gonna be different because I'm already different. Let me show you something different so that you can move differently. So you don't have to walk around with your head down or think that an adult don't care about what you got to say. I care about what you have to say. Because I'll say this: look, when it comes to uh my generation, the generation that raised me, they were, and I understand their um their need for survival and the tactics that they took in order to maintain that survival, but I did not see much joy, and that always bothered me. I didn't see much softness. That always bothered me because I'm watching people raise and I'm in Brooklyn in the 80s and the 90s. I'm watching people raise these kids to be roughnecks and like I said, knocking somebody upside the head. But right, look, I I look at that song now and I'm like, ooh, problematic. And I love MC Light. I don't, I don't need that. And after having that, nah, I'm good. I'm all right, I'm I'm good. I I have a soft, I'd rather have a soft place to land. And we need that. Like, don't nobody want to fall on the concrete all the time.

SPEAKER_07 18:12

Like sometimes you you wanna rival mode.

SPEAKER_00 18:15

Right. I would rather, if I'm gonna fall, let me fall slow. You know what I'm saying? Let me fall in this shift. Right. Let me be dramatic about it. Let me make it a movie. I think it's something that that can um be repetitive. It doesn't have to be a one-time or a one-off.

SPEAKER_03 18:36

Like that's a good point.

SPEAKER_00 18:37

Yeah, it's just because I did it one time.

SPEAKER_03 18:39

Yeah, you have to keep it going.

SPEAKER_00 18:40

And um, even in like for myself, I don't I don't learn by negative reinforcement.

SPEAKER_06 18:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 18:48

I understand people that say you learn a lesson when something negative happens, but don't just put that on them as that's the only way to learn. That's another reason why I went, I made the spades coach. Because forever, I remember you explaining because forever someone's like, nah, if you go and play spades, you gotta get your ass. Yeah. No, you don't. No, you don't. No, you don't. And I'm gonna show you, I'm gonna prove it to you. Yeah, I'm gonna be as kind as possible and I'm gonna still watch them whoop your ass. Because we ain't gotta do it that way. If what you care about is getting whooped, okay. I've done this. I have played spades with people, and they be aggressive, yeah, slapping the deuce of diamonds on the table, and I just be like, Joker. I take that. Thank you. I say thank you every time I take a book. They hate it. I love it. Eventually, you're gonna figure out I still know how to play. Yeah, like we still gonna play the game, it's gonna be fun. Yeah, and then and afterwards, we'll shake hands or we'll hug it and be like, man, you don't talk smack, but yeah, yeah, I don't have to. I'm still gonna have fun. That's why I make games. Yeah. She makes games, she don't play games. That's a fact. I make them. And I'll show you how to make them too. This is chess, not checkers. Oh man, it's a kid. If you pick a chess, wait, wait.

SPEAKER_07 19:58

If you pick a chess design boy, oh my gosh, I'm I'm on it. It's on the way.

SPEAKER_03 20:02

Okay. See? It's a way. You don't know how to play chess?

SPEAKER_07 20:05

Chess? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:06

Mara, you don't know how to play chess? I know how to play chess. But it's fun when she Oh, yeah, that is right.

SPEAKER_07 20:11

I know.

SPEAKER_03 20:12

It's more fun when it is fun.

SPEAKER_00 20:13

Yeah, I think I'm gonna find a way. I'd put a spin on it. I have to. I have to. I when I look at games, I've I for one, I've been looking at games since I was little. I love board games. I love board games, I love game shows, I love all of that. And one thing I knew I wanted to do when it came to games was I wanted to make it relative to black people.

SPEAKER_06 20:34

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:35

Because I would see these characters and I'm like, this game is fun, but how much more fun would it be if I could relate or if a character looked like me? And then I went out and when I uh presented my games to people, especially to kids, talking back to children, when I introduced my games to kids, one of the first things they said was, Oh, you look like Freddie. Oh, I look like Dwayne. Oh, I look, I want to be because they recognize it. I mean, we we have our favorite colors, and a child would choose, oh, okay, I like blue, let me get blue. But now it's different when you see blue and the character look like you, bars. She comes through.

Games That Reflect Black Culture

SPEAKER_03 21:11

That was so dope. Oh man. No, but uh can you tell our audience about some of your games, some of the items that you created? Because I know obviously, since we had you on before, we did talk about some of them, but I want them to know more about it because I know obviously you'll be working on things. Yes. Tell us what you have.

SPEAKER_00 21:33

Yeah, so my first project was um Helm and the Game. It was inspired by one of my favorite shows, A Different World. I didn't get to go to an HBCU, and I always wanted to. So I set up, and I knew how many people related to the show. Those that went to college, those that went to a HBCU or a PWI, and those that wanted to go. And it and the show was iconic. So when I was thinking of making games, I was like, what could I do that we could just all like when we look at this board, we're like, got it. So I went for that one. And I knew that I could find a way to like cross-promote the importance of education and being educated in spaces that we occupy and in communities that we occupy in order to, you know, make the dollar circulate, to even make the energy circulate and all of that. So Hilman the Game was my first one. Um, after Hilm and the Game, uh, at the same time that I was creating Him in the Game, I was creating Flavor the Game because Flavor was like, okay, what happens after college?

SPEAKER_02 22:32

You grow up.

SPEAKER_00 22:33

Now you're grown up, and and what I loved about um living single was that everyone was on their own path, but they were living together. Nobody was ashamed. Well, there were a couple episodes that maybe Regime might have been ashamed of it.

SPEAKER_03 22:46

Regime still had shame.

SPEAKER_00 22:48

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And maybe so, you know, made her look at herself like, man, I still got a roommate. But the fact that you have a roommate is allowing you to not only see what you can do and and have dreams and goals, but you got that unit, you got tribe right next to you. So whenever any one of them falls, okay, well, let's all figure out how we can get together and lift each other up. So I like that um flavor of the game. And then, like I said, the spadescoach, that was the other one um that I made. I am um I got some other things, but I know that's one of the other questions of course. So we'll talk about that. But those are my three projects. And on uh YouTube, I started making uh video guessing games. That my wife and I really get to guessing. Yeah, I have a series of games on YouTube, and I knew that um with the physical board games and the tabletop games that they were going to be at cost. So I wanted to offer something for free that people can still play and have it be kind of like um background, you know. We we scroll and we see stuff all the time and we'll just have it on and just let the next video play. Let's I was like, okay, I'll have something on that again is relative to us. So the the questions and the pictures that show up in the music. They're like in the music. My son makes all the music for um all my games. I was able to, you know, keep it in the family, keep it in the um in the village. And uh it's fun. Like I have get to guess in Soul Food. I have I did that one. Get to yeah, I got get to guess in HBCU mascots. I got uh get to guess in black superheroes, which a lot of people were very surprised at that one that they didn't know as much as they thought they knew because there's a bunch. You didn't realize I'll be making a part two and a part three because there's that many. There's a lot, there's a lot, yeah, yeah. Um black cartoon characters, I have uh black singer zodiac signs because I like zodiac um stuff like that. And um, yeah, I got I got a bunch.

Healing Out Loud After Disaster

SPEAKER_03 24:39

I love yourself. I love yourself. Now I know we gotta get to this question. Is that time? We gotta talk about vulnerability.

SPEAKER_07 24:46

Oh, yeah. So looking back I know you wrote that question. What? I wrote all the questions. Looking back, how has this journey, how has your journey allowed you to show more vulnerable side of yourself?

SPEAKER_00 25:00

Um, well, uh in many ways, I didn't think I was gonna be here. And not so much in the sense of I didn't think bad things were gonna happen. I for a while didn't think I was gonna be able to come through those bad things and have a story to tell. So I had a choice. I could either suffer in silence or I could heal out loud. And I had already tried suffering in silence before, and all it brought was more suffering and more silence. So I wanted to be the change I wanted to see. So I had to, and I needed help. So in order for me to get help, I had to tell the truth and ask for what it was that I needed.

SPEAKER_02 25:39

I love that.

SPEAKER_00 25:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:41

I love that. And I people don't get it, but yes.

SPEAKER_07 25:44

For the people that don't know what happened um with the situation with your house, can you go into a little bit of detail?

SPEAKER_00 25:49

Yeah. On uh the night of August 15th, 2025. Um, and it's so funny because I was wearing this the day that it happened. Um the the day before, well, the day of I had decided to get up and dance early. Normally I would dance at night because I like the way that the lights look and the shadow and the in the silhouette and silhouette and stuff like that. But this day I chose to dance early. Um, I did a lot of stuff early, and there was a uh flash flood that came out of nowhere later on that night. Around 11:30, um, lightning and thunder cracked. My daughter, um, it was my my daughter and my oldest son, Kavati, that was home with me at the time. My youngest son, AJ, had gone out with friends, and thank God he did, because if he didn't, he wouldn't, um, he wouldn't have made it. But um, so my daughter heard the thunder and lightning, she got scared. She ran into my room. Um, except she's 15 at this time, well, 14, 15 at this time. Um, 15. Yep. And she ran in the room and she almost looked like nervous to ask, could I stay here with you? Because I'm scared. But I was like, come on, come in the room with me. And then my older son came in the room too, because it was loud. So he got he was shaken up by it too. But he went to check on his sister and then he came to me. Um, so I started to try to tell my kids a story about how my oldest son, when he heard thunder and lightning one time, he ran clear across the house. Um when we were staying at the time. I mean, he took off, left his baby brother and everything. He was like, nah, uh-huh, one of us is gonna get free. Okay, and so he just took off. And I was trying to tell that story. And I said, you know what? Let me call your dad on the phone. And um, because he remembers the story too. He was there. So I get him on video, and I'm sitting down and I'm telling a story, and because I picked the phone up, and my oldest, because he's hilarious, he's like, ah, yes, content. I said, Shut up. This story's funny. I'ma tell a story. I start telling the story, I look up, we hear uh some branches fall on top of the house. Seconds later, we hear a huge crash, big rumble, and I'm like, and I had left the door open for some reason. I don't know why I did, but I looked and I could see water streaming into my right on top of all my equipment on my computer, my desk, and I'm like, okay, now I'm thinking, okay, maybe it's just one hole. I look, there's all types of dust all over the house. The back of the house, my room was the only one that was saved, the one that we were in. Every other room got hit. We couldn't get through the hallway. The fire department had to come get us water, was rushing in. It was the middle of the night. The lights go off in the rest of the house. It was flickering, but my room stayed on. Nothing happened to my room, and that's where we were. We had my daughter was in a cast at the time. Um, she, and it's on my GoFundMe. You can see the video because I was recording when it happened. So um uh fire department came. Uh, they had to break through the side. Uh we couldn't go out the back door. I said, we're trapped. And it was it was terrifying. It was legit terrifying. And it and what made it even more scary was a couple of days before this happened, um, my mama, the woman who raised me, LulaMay Jacobs, um, she passed away 21, yeah. Well, yeah, 21 years ago. Um, anytime something catastrophic or something I need to look out for is about to happen, I hear her voice in my ear singing, there's a leak in this old building. Tuesdays before this happened, I started hearing there's there's a leak. And I started looking around and I'm like, okay, all right, I don't know what's about to happen, but I feel like I need to get ready. If I have to get me and my family up out of here, I gotta figure out how to get us up out of here. And lo and behold, when it happened, I had already had a book bag ready that had our important documents, and I was just able to grab that one bag and whatever we could get, and we and the fire department had to lead us out. We thought that my van was uh damaged because the tree had fell, it pancaked the rest of the house. And it in front of that, it was a hundred-year-old oak that literally just toppled, crashed, took everything down. We couldn't see anything on the way out. And I thought that the van was gone, uh, because the fire department said, Is that your van out front? I said, Yeah, and they were like, We don't think we can get it. Now I'm like, I ain't got no transportation. Uh-oh. I know we can't stay here. Like, but what we gonna do? And then he went back, he said, I think we can get it. You got the key, I found the key, gave it to me. He was like, It cranks. I said, All right, as long as I got a car, we can figure everything else out. And in the middle of the night, I had to um drive me and the kids uh to my family's house and went back the next day and we saw the damage, and like I said, we lost everything but us.

SPEAKER_03 30:20

So But you all are the most important.

SPEAKER_00 30:23

Yeah, yeah. And I said that even when it happened, I was like, We're fine, we're fine, we're we're okay, we'll fit, we're fine. We just got we just gotta get up out of here. And um honestly, I knew I had to get up out of that house. I didn't want to. It was a five-bedroom house. Yeah, it was it y'all's been there. Like we, we, it's it was a it was a good house, but there was a lot in that house. There was a lot of energy in that house, a lot of memory in that house. And and it was one of those older houses that wasn't um the landlord wasn't taking care of it and stuff like that, and it was too much on me. So I I made the analogy of um the tree was always gonna fall. Always. Even if the tree is a person. Sometimes you just know that person, you know.

SPEAKER_03 31:08

It's coming.

SPEAKER_00 31:09

It's coming. How you gonna get out of this? How you gonna live past this? And thankfully, uh, because I spoke up and because I said something, uh, community came through and helped as much as they possibly could. And and yeah, we made it out. Um we were homeless for a couple months. Um stayed with uh a good friend. And funny enough, the friend that uh that we ended up staying with for a little while, years ago, me and that friend fell out.

unknown 31:40

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 31:41

And then sudden uh something happened. Well, you know, everything started to go downhill with the divorce, and that was one of the things that was blocking me and the friend. And then after the divorce happened, I reached out to the friend. This is way before the tree fell. Yeah, and um we got back tighter than we did the first time. And then when the tree fell, I had that friend, and that friend had space for me and my kids. Wow, that's a full circle moment.

SPEAKER_03 32:03

Wow, yeah, yeah, that's how it works.

SPEAKER_00 32:05

I mean, there's a reason for everything, everything, yeah, everything. And sometimes um I give the analogy of the yacht party. And the yacht party, I've talked about the yacht party before. The yacht party signifies when I've gotten to a certain level of success where I can afford a yacht. You know what I mean? And I want to have a yacht party, but the boat's only so big and everybody can't go.

SPEAKER_07 32:27

Right.

Asking For Help Without Shame

SPEAKER_00 32:27

I used to say it all the time: everybody can't get on the boat. Some people we might wait at the dock for, some people gonna walk up to the dock and be turned away by security. Some people, I want security to pick them up by the back of their collar and lead them off. Some. Some. Some people won't know about it at all, but everybody can't go, and who's supposed to be there will be there. So that is uh that's how that all went down.

SPEAKER_07 32:49

So, out of everything you've learned, what kind of advice would you give someone if they were facing the same situation that you went through?

SPEAKER_00 32:56

Speak up. Tell the truth, don't be too proud to ask for help because some people want to help you, and they can. And um, and I know it's hard for me, it was hard to figure out um who to trust, but because I laid a good foundation with who I am and the people that you put out the energy that you want back. And because I put that out, people came through. That's the I know that's the only reason why people showed up for me the way that they did, is because I have been the one that will show up for people. You won't lie. And and come through and be like, okay, how can we make this happen? How could we help? What can I do? And even if nothing happened, what you need? How can I help you? And we can't do everything, but if a little bit uh like me and my homegirls uh will have this thing where if we're because life is life, we're adults, adulting is a scam, and it's hard. Because it is, you're right, and and sometimes and and and and life um events can make it challenging, depression, mental health, uh, spiritual wellness, all of that is real. Things are heavy, the world is burning, we can't do everything by ourselves. We would have times where each one of us would go to someone else's house and help them clean. Because if you're not gonna be able to- Oh, that's awesome! It's a lot, it's a lot. So I'd be like, okay, hey, let's put something together, let's get together, let's cut the music on what we need to get done.

SPEAKER_01 34:14

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 34:15

And because I would do things like that, and I would allow people to do things like that for me without feeling shame. One of my good friends, Monifa Lemons, y'all know her. Yeah, she taught me the phrase, uh, shame needs silence to breathe. And ever since she told me that, if uh if anything goes on, I will speak up. Yeah, because we can't do everything, and that's okay. Someone else knows how to do something. If you speak up, someone can help you find out where to get some sort of information, some resource, some encouragement, some support, maybe even relationship. Somebody knows somebody, you know. It's something, but yeah, speak up.

SPEAKER_03 35:00

Yeah, I always say that shame is the worst emotion that humans have to deal with. I despise shame. Yeah, because because shame is the reason why we got YN's out here, shame is the reason why we have a a certain political situation going on.

SPEAKER_07 35:16

Right.

SPEAKER_03 35:17

Shame, shame, shame. Right.

SPEAKER_07 35:19

I don't want to go.

SPEAKER_00 35:22

That's why we can't get next stuff now.

SPEAKER_03 35:26

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 35:26

But yeah, for sure. Like, that's why I was saying, if if we allowed artists, like even, you know, those that consider themselves or that are looked at to be Yes, give them a moment to do something that that someone else. I love first of all, I love corny. I love corny. I was the one in the 90s that was like, if something was corny, point me to that. If that guy being nice is corny, let me meet the corny guy. You know what I'm saying? Like, let's do that. So, but also you find your community that way. That's it. You find out who's not gonna judge you for real, who's not gonna try to make you sit in a box that's not for you, that you're too big for, or that ain't got your name on it. It's kind of like with me with my games. If I was too ashamed to say I only want to make games that highlight black culture, somebody else would do it that wouldn't give a damn about black culture. Good point. Just for the bag.

SPEAKER_03 36:19

Good point.

SPEAKER_00 36:20

So I want to do it because I know I care. Yeah, and I know I'm gonna put the work in to show you how much I care when I make a game. I want it to be purposely known that when you look at a game from IAS, from in all seriousness, you know, this black woman decided that she cares about not only her people, but herself, because I gotta love it first before I put it out. I make games for me. Yeah, it just so happens that y'all like it. Yeah, but I make it because I want to see what a game would look like if the characters were black. So I made it. And I can show you how to make it too.

SPEAKER_07 36:53

I like that because it's like you you think of an idea, you put it, you put the work in, you bring it to fruition, you're able to market it, and you're building a community out of it. Yes, yes.

Creating Safe Spaces That Feel Good

SPEAKER_00 37:04

It's a perfect yeah, and that's why I um I started uh the game nights. I had to slow down for a minute, but I started the game nights, a good black time. Yeah, yeah. Because that's exactly what it was. It was a good it's a good black time.

SPEAKER_03 37:16

You're creating safe, enjoyable spaces. Got to family spaces too, because I forget who it was. We we had a uh interview. I'm gonna forget at the moment, but the individual there, they said something that was so cool. Well, oh, I remember who it was. I'll come back to the name, but I remember who it was to see their face. They're like, nah, everything I do, I bring my children with me. Like, if I can't bring my children, they say I can't do it. I ain't showing up. It must be some ratchetry. And I'm like, Yep, yeah. More than likely, there's some ratchetry going on if you're unable to bring your child there. Was that Pierce? Huh? Was that Pierce Freelance? Was it freelance? Not Pierce. It was um music. Um, I'll come back to it. It'll be posted late. Because I know who it is. I got them in my head. But yeah, when I when I heard that, I was like, hmm. So what we've been, and what I've been experiencing, especially as we've been delving into the creative world here in Columbia and being around folks, is that I'm really, uh really gravitate towards people that create safe spaces for family and to because those events are our most fun. What I've noticed too, and I and my wife we always tease about this, we we have our list, we got a list of places we can't go. There are marked off lists. And what we do is we love supporting black business, uh minority businesses, local businesses. It doesn't matter what your race is, really, but we love going to locals. Right. And what we'll do though, is if there have been violent events, shootings, if people been um carjacked out there, or something in that case, we mark that place off. We don't go back. We can't go there anymore, right? Yeah. And it doesn't matter, quote unquote, how nice the place is supposed to be, or whatever their aspect is, because now it it fits in one of those places that we can't bring our friends and our family to. We can't have a safe space because that space has been desecrated. And it does for somebody like darn it, why you're gonna give another chance? No, because they were creating a space in which they knew they were going to invite that type of energy. And if they were doing that and they want me there, they're they're saying to me, I don't value you as a person because I'm gonna put you in danger.

SPEAKER_00 39:24

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:25

So forget how cool it is, how nice the hookah is, yeah, how nice the sweet wings are, yeah, how nice the beverages are and the price scale on them, I ain't going.

SPEAKER_00 39:35

And I love things like that because I'm the type of person who likes to take something negative and turn it into a positive. Like if I see that it's profitable for all of that to go on, and some people will still come out to that and they know it, I know I could figure out how to make something good and safe, and the people will come out to it. Yeah, I just have to. My my biggest thing, and what I've learning now, especially with telling my story about what happened, is how to promote myself. And um, that's a challenge because for artists, sometimes we don't want to ask people to pay us for what we have a gift for doing. Right. Right. We don't want to do that. But if we want to keep the party going, yeah, yeah, we're gonna have to like we need you to come out. So I have been more vocal, and that's why I wanted to do the interview because I need to tell people I'm still here. I don't want to just be oh, well, what happened to that thing you used to do? Yeah, I took a break. I took a break, but I'm back. I'm I'm I'm doing this, I'm doing that, or I might take another break again and come back with something. I love going in the lab and getting quiet. That's what you come back. Sometimes you gotta pop out on the show.

SPEAKER_05 40:41

Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 40:43

Like I love doing that. Um, but at the same time, rest is important. Yeah, um and and I feel like when it comes to what we have to offer in terms of entertainment and outings and stuff like that, sometimes it's cool to just have a room of like 20, 30 people playing games. Yeah, instead of a room with 200 with music that ain't nobody dancing to. Why ain't nobody dancing? That's another reason why I don't go out. If I don't have a dance, first of all, find me a rug and I'm gonna cut it. If you don't find me a rug to cut, I don't need to go because because dancing is joy. Yeah. To see a whole room full of people where everyone's either in their phone. I think you answered your question.

SPEAKER_03 41:22

I think you answered your yeah. There's no joy.

SPEAKER_00 41:25

That's it.

SPEAKER_03 41:26

I'm there.

SPEAKER_07 41:28

Energy is being siphoned there at the club.

SPEAKER_00 41:30

Yeah. That was something that I learned about living in New York City too. So the movie, uh, I don't know if it was the first Ghostbusters or the second one, but it always resonated with me how they had the um, it's the one where Bobby Brown does the it does the soundtrack. Is it two? Yeah, okay. Okay, yeah. You see the spot, the the ooze going through the building. Yeah, and the way that they get it to go out is that they take the ooze, the same ooze that was under the building that was making people go go loony and do all that bad stuff, they put it on the feet of the Statue of Liberty, and because of the energy that they put in it, that's what made the Statue of Liberty walk. If you're in New York City, you have to think about it. It's a crowded space. Yeah, everyone has their own energy going on, and this energy slamming into each other all the time. You got energy running underneath the um ground in the subways, you got it above you in the skyscrapers, you got it with people that you're trying to maneuver through. And everyone, and all that energy is now it's it's such a capitalistic state, and it's so heavy, and it's like every nobody smiles. They're starting to smile now, and I love that. But like everyone mean mugging, and you're around that all the time. All the time. You're feeding yourself with energy from other people. So I it's funny that you mentioned being a light because um something that a friend of mine told me, and this is what actually made me um shake out of how I was feeling and say, I have to be, I can't hide. I have to be out there. Uh a friend of mine who I went to school with, um, he was going through a lot. We caught up after um after my separation um and everything. He reached out to me and he said, I've been worried about you because I remember you being the light. He said, I need you to be the light. He said, I know you doled yourself and I know why you doled yourself. I need you to be the light. And then a couple months after he said that to me, um, ooh, man. Um a couple months after that, uh, I was on the phone. I was begging someone to respect me. And he was on my mind, my friend was on my mind, and I didn't call him. And the next morning I got a phone call from his sister saying that he decided to exit by his own means. And I said, Okay, okay. I I he asked me to be the light, I could do that. Not saying that, not saying that I'm taking responsibility for what happened because I know people, you know, they go through their own battles, but I know, um, I know why I'm important. And I know why the energy that I put out there is important. So I'm gonna go ahead and go be the light. Okay, got it. Got it. I'm gonna do that.

SPEAKER_03 44:11

I tell people that's why I was I was telling Dogon earlier. Y'all superheroes. Folks with talents and skills, like we don't, we may not always bring it up to that level. We don't think about it in our heads like this, but these people that wrote comic books and all this stuff, they were just making the normal everyday, taking it in and making it extreme, right? But even in small ways, we're superheroes. Like, people got these skills, you gotta share it. You can't hide yourself. Yeah, you can't do it.

SPEAKER_00 44:43

Because you don't know who uh who what someone is gonna need it, even if the somebody's you. Yep. Cause like I said, uh, I think about young me all the time. Thinking if young me were next to me right now, absolutely young me would want to be me. Yeah, 100%. And that's what I think more people should know. Like, how would little you look at you?

SPEAKER_03 45:02

Exactly. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 45:05

And luckily for me, I have three little me's that look at me.

SPEAKER_03 45:08

They're looking at you on it's like, okay. That's the beauty, that's the beauty of motherhood. Yeah, motherhood.

SPEAKER_00 45:13

Yeah, yeah. Even though uh I think we were talking earlier, parenthood, their HOA fees is too high. They be taxing.

SPEAKER_03 45:21

They taxing.

SPEAKER_00 45:23

What?

SPEAKER_03 45:23

What's why I ain't rushing that's why I'm coming, I ain't rushing.

SPEAKER_00 45:26

Thank you. And I'm not that person as a parent. I'm not somebody else.

unknown 45:31

No.

SPEAKER_00 45:32

No, I'm I'm an advocate for do what is going to make you the best you. And everybody don't need to be a parent. Yeah. They don't.

SPEAKER_03 45:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:40

They really don't because this is not a game. You dealing with other um uh Personalities and you're nurturing and you're trying to and you're trying to grow up. I'm still growing up myself. I'm 45. I'm not growing up yet.

SPEAKER_06 45:52

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 45:52

Okay. I still want to do hood rat things with my friends. No, no, true story. So I went to um I went to New Orleans uh uh last year, 2025. I went to go meet my boyfriend for the first time. And when we met in New Orleans, uh my kids said, when I told them what happened, they said, uh, Mom, you got crossfaded. I said, what's crossfaded? That's when you drink everything. I said, Oh. Oh, you're not gonna be kidding, oh yeah, yeah. My kids was like, Mom. And then they got on the phone with him and they were like, okay, so my mother though? But y'all are grown. Y'all got kids. And we're like, yeah, we kind of, we're still growing up. Okay, so I like that. Yeah, we gotta demystify that whole thing.

SPEAKER_03 46:43

I never heard that word. That's from the young folk. It's from the young people.

SPEAKER_00 46:47

I was like, Mom, you got I said, I got what?

SPEAKER_03 46:49

They were like, You got hold of reference across faded around. Did I say this?

SPEAKER_00 46:53

Yeah, I was like, I like that though. I like that. I said, Oh, I didn't know. And they were like, Yeah, mom, calm down. I said, Okay, you know what?

SPEAKER_06 47:00

I've been outside in a minute. You right?

SPEAKER_00 47:02

Let me chill. Too much fun right now, brown white. But also, I didn't try to hide that from my kids because I want you to know what well while you're growing up, sometimes do what I do, sometimes don't. Yeah, you know, like learn from my mistakes for real. Because I'm still making them.

SPEAKER_03 47:18

Because we're raised, we're raised in that generation. Do as I say, not as I do.

SPEAKER_00 47:21

Yeah, nah. Listen, um, and and also I don't get mad if they tell me something that I raised them to to speak out.

SPEAKER_03 47:28

Isn't that why I thought I think that's so interesting when the kid tells you done? I laugh at it. I'll be honest.

SPEAKER_00 47:35

I'll be honest. I'll laugh at it. I'll be like, ooh, dang, I did too good.

SPEAKER_07 47:39

So do you think being more realistic with your parents should be more realistic with their kids? Yes.

SPEAKER_00 47:44

Yes. Um, and I think it will always hold the mirror to you so that you are making sure hold yourself accountable. Absolutely. Because if you don't want your kids doing no messed up, then like, come on, you yeah, you really gotta be an example. That's why I they they see me talk kindly to myself. They see me when they see me take accountability because I want to make sure that when it comes time for you, don't don't be on no BS. Because then how are you gonna help yourself? You'll be in the same cycle if you keep lying to yourself, tell the truth, and then do better. If you know better, do better. Man, yeah, it's hard now. I ain't gonna lie. Sometimes you be like, I want to do what I want to do. I should know better. I shouldn't have, oh, they saw that. I mean, I ain't never did nothing that wild, but like for real, to have to have your 24-year-old go.

SPEAKER_03 48:32

I will say there are levels to this.

SPEAKER_00 48:34

Oh, absolutely. Like, don't be stupid. You have the pink pony cloak. Don't do that. That's a little that's ridiculous. Then other things, yeah, don't do that. But I mean, like, yeah, your mom got toe up in New Orleans. Okay, and um, and she'll never do it again. I probably can everybody get toe up in New Orleans. I didn't know that, okay. It was my first time walking on Bourbon Street. Uh-huh. Yeah, two hand grenades and a sharker cake. Don't do that. Say it again.

SPEAKER_02 48:58

Liquor to go.

SPEAKER_00 48:59

Don't do that. Don't do that. I didn't know. I was like, oh, this is a nice drink. Them drinks ain't nothing nice. No, it was a it was a mess, but it's so, and now we got a memory. So that was cool.

SPEAKER_07 49:16

So um, what current projects do you have, or what can we expect from you in the future? Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 49:23

So I'll be bringing back the game nights. Okay. Um, yes, the game nights will definitely be back. Um, I've also started developing a deck of cards dedicated to the Zodiacs. Cool. So it's called the Zodia deck. Um, because I have a whole collection coming out of Zodiac-inspired things called Zodiac and Up. Um, and uh of course I'm a Libra and I had to make the Libra the first deck, so those will be I'm not launching them until the beginning of um the Zodiac uh cycle, which is Aerie season. But yeah, which one is it? Aerie season. Oh, one more time. Hello, you must be at Aries. All right, go ahead. Well, yeah, but um I have uh that deck of cards coming out, and there'll be a deck for every season. Okay, um, and there's a deck that has all of the zodiacs in together. Yep, yep, it's called the Zodiac. That's a lot of thinking. Yeah, I know, I know, I know. I like to put my thing into good use. And I'm like, what do we like to talk about? Like, you know, some people now some people don't rock with it, and that's fine. And I don't, again, I don't make things for everybody. Yeah. I want to, I start with me. I like talking about zodiacs. So I'm like, if I like it, I'm pretty sure someone else would like it. And if not, then at least I got some cool decks, you know, for myself and stuff like that. So I have that. Um, making more games for YouTube, and uh, yeah, those are fun. I also offer custom games. So if you want to make your own game, your own YouTube game, like I was um commissioned to make a YouTube game for a family reunion. So they gave they sent me the questions, and you know, it was like uh when the how old was grandma when she got such and such grandma, whatever the name is, and when she acquired such and such, and and that is yeah, so for that for organizations, I just did one for um for a D9 organization. Well, yeah, so could you create your own avenue? Yeah, yeah, never tumble. Yeah, make my own novelty uh sorority uh why not? You know what I mean? And it looks great. Thank you, thank you. Yeah, this is one uh this is actually one of the things that I saved. That's why I was surprised when I came in and you said, Oh, your game is here because you know I lost I lost everything, I lost all my inventory. Um, so I am starting over from everything. So yeah, that's in the immediate, and then I'm coming up on my seventh uh dance diversary where I've danced every day for seven years on these.

SPEAKER_03 51:56

You gotta tell us about who posted your dancing.

SPEAKER_00 52:00

Uh me. I I I go live every day on Instagram.

SPEAKER_03 52:05

You caught somebody's uh attention though. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:08

Artist uh named Pinkbeard. Yes. Uh-huh. Yeah, I do. I love his song, Sip. And um, he actually, that's the second video that he's commented on as well. And I was like, because I love the song. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's a real good song. So if anybody knows how I can get in touch with Pinkbeard, you know what I'm saying? I'll I'll come up with something. We'll we'll make it happen. Um, I'm still uh working on getting in touch with the cast from uh Different World and the Castle Living Single because I want them to see the game. I did meet Erica Alexander, who is super nice. And funny enough, when I met her, she told me, I showed her Helm and the Game. She said, when you make Flavor the Game, make sure Max has the most amount of money. So on Flavor the Game, Max has the most amount of money to start with. Um uh what else? Yeah, like I said, it's uh seven years, still dancing. Uh I stream on Twitch still, so I play video games and I have interviews on my podcast, uh, in all seriousness the podcast, where we actually play a game in the podcast interview. And um, yeah, yeah. So I'm working on a home version for that for podcasters that want to play a game with their interviewees.

SPEAKER_03 53:14

And it's a different dynamic, which is good. Just like because I know you have like, what is it, um hot ones, and then I forget the other one where they like they have the drinks, but it's cool, it's cool when you have those things going on because it leads to pretty interesting outbursts.

SPEAKER_00 53:29

Yeah, matter of fact, we have uh uh uh uh a talent here that has appeared on the show and had a good time. Shout him out, shut him out, shut him out. Okay, Danny Foxworth, don't forget the bacon. DNC, every time you pop in my stream, he'd be like, DNC, I like don't forget the bacon. But yeah, um, I have that, and uh whatever else pops up into my head will will come through. I'll make sure I'm gonna share it.

SPEAKER_03 53:55

Oh, yeah. The energy. I know. Hey, before we you have to tell them where to find you.

SPEAKER_07 54:03

Yeah, your social media.

SPEAKER_00 54:04

I am on social media via uh Facebook, Instagram, um Blue Sky, Twitch, uh, Queen It Shall Be and IAS Games. Yes. And that's also um for Twitch, it's Iasgames.com spelled out. The D-O-T-C-O-M, um, spelled out. And actually, it's in all seriousness, not seriousness. Series. Because I knew I was making a series of games. And I knew it was a play on words, and I talk fast, so it's gonna sound like seriousness anyway. And I'm dead ass about the games that I make. So that's a brother coming out.

SPEAKER_03 54:44

Um man, it's always, always a pleasure having you. We love your energy. Thank you. Anytime you want to come on, you know you always have us.

SPEAKER_00 54:52

I appreciate y'all so much and everything y'all have been doing. And I'm so happy that y'all are still going because as a creator, yes, I'm looking at the pictures like I'm looking at it.

SPEAKER_03 55:04

I love it. It's a collage of all of our guests. This is going from like season two. Up season two or three. Season two. Season three. Yeah. Season three till now, and you're up there. Am I somewhere? It is everybody. Is it the one with me only? I'm not sure. It may be with us. It is the one with you only. With you only. See? Appreciate you. We have all our folks up here, so we were trying to have people look at this and they came in today, but I love it. So it's gonna get um what's the stuff we got put on it? Mods. Laminated? No. We didn't, did we? No. We did. We're fast. Let's my fault.

SPEAKER_00 55:42

We were just as a as an artist and crafter myself. I'm looking and I'm like, okay. This was difficult. Yeah, Modge Pods. Yeah, Modge Podge, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:49

These were all separated individual by hands.

SPEAKER_00 55:53

It looked good. I love it.

Progress Over Perfection And Closing

SPEAKER_03 55:57

Yeah, thank you. I appreciate y'all. Thank you. Seriously. You want to keep doing work because we talk about community.

SPEAKER_00 56:02

And I also like the fact that um even here's another thing before we go, if I could say this to all creators, um, for anyone who's thinking about putting their art out there or what they do or streaming or going live or something like that, it is okay if you don't have all the equipment and all the bells and whistles now. People want to see the progression. They want to feel like they are a part of your elevation and see what you do with the attention that you're given and the uh the space, sometimes the funds. They want to see, they want to help you get better. Yeah. If you jump in the game and you already at the top, they're like, oh, you don't need my help. Yeah, so and also it like you get the when you have those raw moments of raw ideas. Sometimes you can't make it pretty. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes you just need to put it out there so it can have the best impact because you've got the best intention when you did it in that moment versus trying to curate everything. And that's why being a perfectionist is like uh procrastination in a tuxedo. You know what I'm saying? It'll make you take it. I saw that on a post. That is nice. I said, oh, that how dare you. That is nice. Yeah, talk about me. Clutch my pearls, the nerve, but it's so true. It's like you worry, like it just keeps you long for putting things out. So most of the time, and that's why you see me go live the way I do. I don't wait to get pretty. But look, I've had my wig fall off in mid-dance. I don't know. And you be cool, man. And I'll be good. Cause I'm gonna dance. Yeah. Period. The point is not the wig, the point is me moving and getting free. The most free I feel is when I dance and when I'm creative. So for that, let other people see what your freedom looks like. Don't wait for it to be perfectly packaged because everybody don't need that. Some people need to see it and know that they can do it. And if you start from where you are, you know what I'm saying? Start where you are, use what you have, do what you can.

SPEAKER_03 57:51

To get to a way.

SPEAKER_00 57:52

I love that. To to where you need to be.

SPEAKER_03 57:54

Which is the E and D. And the thread for the day.

SPEAKER_00 58:02

Got it.

SPEAKER_03 58:03

Because everybody will die.

SPEAKER_00 58:05

Okay, and at the end of the day, it's nighttime. Pre. Okay. Yeah. Pre. And we're gonna go to sleep.

SPEAKER_03 58:11

There we go. Yeah, no, we hit we hit our threads every every time we we do these things, and today we've been hitting our little threads, and they've always worked. I'm not I'm not gonna lie, that doesn't happen on, it's all organic. Yeah. But everybody starts on a thread and they talk about it. So I know we're gonna wrap up. We do have a live audience today. We're hanging out at Full Lab Studios. We appreciate Chef J and uh Mr. Nathan for letting us use the space. And obviously, we do use this space um to be rented out. Um and you have access to equipment if you don't have it all. Even staff, if you need us to assist you with setting it up and running it, we give full services for it, and this information is available on Peer Space. Peerspace. Peer Space. I want to come from the back. You know how they do it in the podcast in the background person. Yes, peerspace. Yep. Uh and you can go on there and find this location and rent it out. Um, but outside of that, I'm DJ and what?

SPEAKER_07 59:11

Tamaya.

SPEAKER_00 59:12

Mike Skip and our Steam guest, your friendly neighborhood unicorn queen, it shall be. Visit me at www.iasgames.com where it's a good black time with you and mine. Did you awesome?

SPEAKER_03 59:26

I would like that. All right now. Well, till next time. Please tell somebody next to them that you love them and you appreciate them. You don't always get a chance to do that. We don't know how long we have to be here. Till next time. Peace.