Welcome And Family Bond

SPEAKER_04 1:45

So first we want to tell you guys thank you for being here. Even though you're virtual, it still feels like you're in the room with us. And we want to see how you're doing today. No problem. So to start off each episode, we'd like to get a little bit of background about our guest. And we wanted to ask you guys, uh Candace and your mom, Sharon, when you look back at Amber's early childhood or your own childhood, how would you describe the bond between you guys growing up?

SPEAKER_05 2:27

Um, I would describe our bone as close, but the closer was just me and my sister. Um we grew up in the country, so we were always at home in the pool, clean with our babies, travel together, just like having that close, what I say, like country growing up, like always being outside, just you know, the two of us, just creating our own joy.

SPEAKER_02 2:55

So that's what I would look at to say for my sister and her last child.

SPEAKER_04 3:03

My best best friend. Now who's older?

SPEAKER_02 3:07

We were always together.

SPEAKER_05 3:10

I'm the oldest, it's me. We're um almost four years, and it's just you two together. We always reference the two of us.

SPEAKER_00 3:25

My fault, y'all. How you doing? I'm excellent. I was trying to make sure I wasn't dropping off. I have a weird little connection going on right now. So um, hopefully you can see me and I don't look like a potato. But um see, that's wonder if they could see me. Okay. Um so give me one moment.

Early Red Flags Beyond Physical

SPEAKER_00 3:52

Alright, so just going into what we were saying earlier, just talking talking about like you're beginning and your influence, we want to ask you a question about prevention. So um, you have both become such vital voices in shedding light on the realities of relationship dynamics. For listeners who might be questioning their own relationship or worrying about a loved one, what are some of the critical, sometimes subtle red flags or warning signs of domestic violence that people often miss early on?

SPEAKER_05 4:29

Um, I would want to say that most of the things that people want people to understand is that um domestic violence missing always show up as physical, you know, sometimes it's financial, it's emotional, it's isolation, because you know, of course, for the abuser, their goal is to isolate the victim from their friends and family. So just you know, knowing that signs and paying attention to how you know who is feel, you know, if it's control, monitoring your phone, monitoring, you know, your social media, where you're at, who you're with, how long will you be, you know, just you know, just uh understanding your boundaries, creating them, and making sure that you're not necessarily allowing someone to overstep your boundaries because that's how the control is able to be in that type of relationship, which usually sometimes.

SPEAKER_04 5:34

Now, did you notice any of these signs before the event actually took place in your sister's life?

SPEAKER_02 5:46

Absolutely control when my sister, you know, I think I older did a lot of what I call sister date and he recall, wanting to know where you're at, how long you're gonna be gone.

SPEAKER_05 6:01

Sometimes he would even pop up, you know. So I definitely noticed it. I noticed if my sister was, you know, a little moody or sad or upset, you know, just because we're so close, I feel what she feels. So I can always gauge when something was wrong with her.

SPEAKER_04 6:22

Now I have another question. How do you handle that as being a concerned sister instead of being like overbearing and trying to dictate someone's relationship? It's kind of hard because you don't want the person to feel attacked.

SPEAKER_00 6:38

That's true.

SPEAKER_05 6:45

I agree. Um, and that was hard balance for me because naturally I'm overprotective of my little sister. So, you know, just kind of giving her space to open up and share things with me instead of, you know, constantly asking her, crying, you know, or just flat out, like letting her know exactly how I feel about her abuser. So I would say that's kind of hard because there's no way to um be overbearing when it comes to that type of situation.

SPEAKER_02 7:22

I naturally will protect her and defend her. That's what I basically do. But I can't say that I learned that that's a relationship. Not always the best approach because everything else between the two of us, the more I push for her not to be within the further, she will push away from me.

SPEAKER_00 7:47

I have a just a follow-up question. I know you're talking about the different ways in which you can uh domestic violence can show um signs, um, and and different um outlets to for it to be expressed.

Financial Abuse And Money Control

SPEAKER_00 8:07

But one of the things always comes up in the conversations I have with my wife wife about this people. Finances. Would you speak on that specifically? Because it's something that everybody deals with. Finances are a big strain in most relationships, and then sometimes people don't see where that might be used as something to control them, as opposed to just like normal financial stresses or strains that relationships go through.

unknown 8:37

Wow.

SPEAKER_05 8:39

I guess like the most common financial abuse would be, for example, a stay-at-home partner, stay-at-home mom, not having her own income, and the man needs the primary provider, and so he will use you know his control of finances to limit, you know, freedom and restrict a woman to their demand people. So if I have the money that made me feel like I have the money what I say go. You know, uh one person making all the money while the other person brings them financially, you know, which is the use as will.

SPEAKER_04 9:35

So what preventative measures do you guys kind of I guess tell women like ways that they could I guess escape a domestic violence situation or how to handle the situation to leave their partner?

Safety Planning And Getting Help

SPEAKER_04 9:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 9:59

So let's speak on it. Community support can be absolutely critical because domestic violence often creates isolation. The person may have been made to feel like no longer believe them that they have nowhere to go, like that's the help will make the situation worse. Maybe even one safe person who listened without judgment coming behind them, that they are not alone because they experience what they are experiencing different person.

SPEAKER_03 10:31

If you're in that situation, you don't have to figure, you don't have to figure out your entire future in one day. Start by identifying one safe person or organization you can trust. That could be a family member, a friend, a counselor, an advocate, shelter, or domestic violence organization. And if you're thinking about leaving safety planning, it's really important. If your partner monitors your phone, finances, transportation, or online activity, be careful about what you search, save, or communicate. A domestic violence advocate can help you create a personalized safety plan based on your circumstances. In the United States, you can contact the National Domestic Violence Hotline at 1-800-799-SAFE. That's 1-800-799-7233. Our text start to 88-788. And if you're in immediate danger, call 911 if it is safe to do so. And I want anyone listening to hear this. You don't have to wait until the situation becomes worse to ask for help. You deserve support now. Reaching out doesn't mean you have to leave immediately, it means you're giving yourself information, options, and support so that you can make the safest decision for yourself.

SPEAKER_04 12:04

You mentioned stuff that I didn't even think about, honestly. Um, can you tell us the name of your organization as well as the women that you have helped, or men that you've helped since you started the organization?

Building Amber's Sanctuary Of Hope

SPEAKER_03 12:26

The name of the organization is Amber's Sanctuary of Hope. We have helped support women and children and men. We have an annual donation of coats. We give coats to the women's shelter and provide a warmth for them in the winter. And we also leave handwritten notes in them encouraging the families to have hope in the midst of what they're going through. And we've also given out scholarships to high school students going to college. So we've tried to give back to the community and reach out and be, you know, to be a voice for people that are going through domestic violence because it is something that is near and dear to our heart, and it's a way that we can honor Amber in her memory because she was giving and loving, supporting. My daughters would um give back to the community without I I learned that that's what they were doing. So they are we're givers and helpful, and I just we just want to continue to keep that spirit going to keep Amber alive in her actions because we're we're doing this in her honor and in her memory. Keep the hope alive.

SPEAKER_04 13:51

I like that saying to kind of go with your the name of the organization. Yeah, keep the hope alive, and then with your letters, it's like showing letters of support because this is probably like the hardest time for people, or especially kids, and just to have to build their confidence and have that hope, it helps to keep them going. So I appreciate that about you guys.

SPEAKER_05 14:18

Yes, yes, and then I just also want to piggyback on um the safety plan. Sometimes safety plan could seem a little intimidating, but it you know can simply be just making sure that you have all of your vital documents in one place, making sure that you, you know, thought about okay, if I go, where am I gonna go? Who will who will I tell that I've gone so they you know um know that know that your loved ones are safe because um leaving isn't easy and it takes at least seven or eight times for a woman to truly leave. So, you know, I just always encourage, you know, victims to think about their safety plan um and make sure that they're prepared to leave their dangerous situation. Um so just having a safety plan and being prepared because you never know when you have to escape a situation.

Community Support Without Making It Worse

SPEAKER_00 15:21

I wanted to jump into this because I've I've dealt with this as a child of a parent who was going through this situation and community support. Would you all speak on the importance of having community support when you're going through an abusive relationship and how it can be vital in creating those safety outlets that you need to be able to get out of those situations healthy, alive, and and and keep them keeping moving on strong.

SPEAKER_05 15:56

It's super important. Um, I personally feel that it's important to say that abuse is not always obvious to those on the outside looking in. And a person can literally have the perfect home, the perfect family, uh, the perfect car, a successful career, and then you know, you never know what they're going through behind closed doors. So I would just say, you know, pay attention to the patterns that you notice and those that you love and care about, and just be supportive, you know, be a listening ear. I feel like oftentimes, you know, victims want to speak up, but they just don't feel it's safe to do so. They feel judged. You know, uh a lot of people will throw out advice, oh well, if that were me, I would do this. And you know, that's a little intimidating, and it's not a safe space, you know, for someone to open up. And I feel like if you create that safe space for, you know, them to open up, they'll be more prone to share. And the more that you know, you know, the more that you can um create that safe environment for them to, you know, escape. Even if you're not utilizing it at that time, you're aware, just always being aware, and you know it's hard for victims to speak up, yeah. And I feel like if you make that an easy and safe space for them, you you're that's all the support that they sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 17:33

Take me back an off that question are there times when you know the community can overstep and create more harm than good in their action or attempt to try to, you know, bring somebody out of a position of abuse?

SPEAKER_05 17:50

Absolutely. You could tell your cousin who's a hothead, you know, and now your cousin is stepping to that abuser, and now that victim being abused even more simply because your hothead cousin has agitated the situation, you know. And I would love to be comfortable to say this. I feel like a lot of abusers are cowards, you know, they don't directly step to someone that's bigger than them, they step to someone that's small. And so I just always say I feel like that's like one of the main ways I feel like people can overstep. Maybe a neighbor, you know, can witness something. And instead of, you know, pulling that person to the side and saying, hey, you know, everything okay, they they they just automatically, you know, the authorities involved, not knowing, you know, or not not being able to depict if if is this.

SPEAKER_00 18:57

I think that's a hard, it's so hard to do. No, necessarily hard, because we never know when it's we want to help the person. But instead, we we cause more more issues by contacting authorities, um, getting the police involved, and then now the abuser is going to, like you said, escalate the situation.

SPEAKER_05 19:22

Absolutely. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 19:23

What were you going to say, Miss Sharon?

SPEAKER_05 19:25

Absolutely. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 19:28

That's what I was gonna say. Sometimes it causes more harm than help. Especially, you know, sometimes when the when the police come, the victim is so fearful of their life, they they don't open up and they probably want to. But this timing is everything. You have to plan a safe way of escape. You can't do it any kind of way. You have to plan it strategically. When you're being abused, when you're a victim, you have to plan a safe way out. It's very important. It's life or death.

Love Versus Control And Misconceptions

SPEAKER_04 20:03

What would you guys say are some of the misconceptions that people think about when you hear domestic violence situation or anything you want to clear up?

SPEAKER_05 20:19

I feel like one of the biggest I feel like the biggest misconception is that control is the same thing as love. You know, it's always, well, I'm protecting you because I love you. And it's it's not protection, it's controlling behavior. And you know, healthy love does not require for you know you to surrender your privacy and your friendships, your finances, your independence, and most importantly, your voice, you know. So I feel like that would be one of the biggest misconceptions.

SPEAKER_03 21:03

Yeah, not you got you have to really understand what love really is, how love is supposed to make you feel. Love, I know you're not going to agree on everything because we're two different human beings, but there is always a common middle ground. But love should never hurt, especially in in no capacity whatsoever, physically, mentally, or verbally. If you love someone, you care for them, you have their best interest at heart. You can tell if someone truly loves you by how they make you feel. They they protect you, they don't want to see you hurting. If anything, they want to hit help you heal. So you have to be very careful to understand what love really is. You can be deceived. Love is very deception. So you have to be very clear in understanding of what you deserve from your partner. Know your value, know your worth. Don't let anyone devalue you. Don't let anyone minimize you or make you feel small. Know who you are. Know God designed you to be loved. And especially when God said that the man's supposed to love his wife as he loved the church. So you have to understand and recognize what love really is and don't be deceived because love can be very deceptive.

SPEAKER_00 22:24

Speaking of deceptions and misconceptions, how do you think um social media um affects the way in which people think love is supposed to look? To where they will, you know, put themselves in positions where they are being abused because they are receiving these things, a nice car, a nice house, and those things.

SPEAKER_05 22:51

I mean, social media roots everything, you know, but it's true what they say. The internet is not a real place, you know, it's a fantasy, and so if you become caught up in chasing this fantasy for social media, I mean you're not living in your truth. So I think it's not real. You know, I think it's as it is when we're growing up and we look at Disney and we see the princess and we see the king or the prince and the queen, and we really think that's the idea of love, and it's truly not, it's much deeper than that. It's through and through, you know, it's gentle, and so I think social media really does allow for people to live in this world that's just truly not reality, and just because their love looks like This they think, oh well, my love should look like this because you know that's what my celebrity or or someone that's influencing me, that's what their love looks like. So by any means, they chase that fantasy.

SPEAKER_00 23:58

I know at the end of the day, we're talking about promoting healthy relationships, healthy uh behaviors. And I know one thing with social media, it is not really trying to always produce that. It's not trying to push that to the forefront. And I'm horrible. I like watching Lifetime. Um, I think I got that from my stepmother. That's how I watch Lifetime. So I watch a lot of movies where they portray these things that are going on, and as I see this stuff, I'm like, man, I see how how easy it is to fall into believing, okay, my relationship should look this way. If I have to deal with some pain so that I can enjoy this lifestyle, I will. You know?

SPEAKER_04 24:40

What advice would you guys give?

SPEAKER_05 24:42

Oh, go ahead. And I oftentimes wonder I was just gonna say, I oftentimes wonder if it's our, you know, our grandma, our great grandma, they watch granddaddy, you know, go out on payday, gamble, get drunk, come home, you know, there's abuse. But grandma, she allows it, you know. And so I think somewhere somehow, aside from social media, you know, that's been inherited as well, you know.

SPEAKER_00 25:13

Generationally.

SPEAKER_05 25:14

He loved me, he loved me, he takes care of me, and that's not absolutely yeah, because that could be uh a generational thing if you think about it.

SPEAKER_04 25:25

If a child is in that environment and they see that happening, of course, it's mostly more than likely to happen in their life.

Social Media And Generational Patterns

SPEAKER_04 25:35

What advice would you guys give to the younger generation when it comes to handling um or falling in love? Period. What advice would you give?

SPEAKER_05 25:52

Go with how you feel. How does, you know, to piggyback off what mom said, go with how you feel? How does he treat you? Is he a gentleman? You know, is is he uh malmannered? How does he react when he's upset? Does he want to talk about it? Or does he just get upset and become irate? You know, does he ignore you when he's upset? You know, does he you know does he make you feel good about yourself or does he make you feel guilty about loving yourself, you know? And so I always want to encourage, you know, those that are younger, because I have a teenage daughter and I'm constantly reminding her to love herself, to pour into herself, because when you uh establish those boundaries when you're younger, they carry you to adulthood so that you set expectations on how you want to be loved and treated and cared for, and that starts right now.

SPEAKER_04 26:47

Right. I I didn't learn how to set boundaries till I was in my 30s. If I learned in my 20s, let me tell you, I probably wouldn't have had a uh been in a domestic and violence relationship because I was in one that was probably one of my first relationships, and it was back during college time, but you're so young you don't even realize what's happening around you or that you're even in that situation. So I appreciate what you guys are doing. Now I do have another question. What go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 27:18

So I want to sh I want to share on the child the generational portion and share a portion of my story growing up. My um, I grew up with my dad abusing my mom the majority of my childhood life. And I watched my mom navigate from place to place trying to get away from my dad. But my dad would still find my mom wherever she was. He would still come and abuse her. And my mom, it was four of us, when my dad would abuse my mom, we would get try to break the fights up as we grew older. So growing up with my girls, I wanted to shelter them from anything that looked like abuse. If I were to have a conversation that wouldn't be smooth, I would even wouldn't even let them hear of any nothing dysfunctional relationship-wise, because of how I grew up. I wanted to protect them from that. So they never were prepared to know how to deal with um abusive relationships. I never taught them how to deal with them because I always shielded them from that, because I know the trauma of growing up in that type of environment. I never wanted my daughters to experience that. So that is something that we as parents, we want to protect our children from anything that doesn't make them feel good, um, that's not good for them in their life. So at the same time, it is important to teach our daughters how to protect themselves against these types of behaviors. Because that's one thing that I wish I could have thought, like, oh, maybe I should be showing them how to protect themselves. But no, I chose to shield them from it because of the trauma that I experienced in my own life.

SPEAKER_00 29:21

That's interesting that you say that because most people they're think they think they think by shielding their children from bad experiences or understanding how those things work in the real world, that they're making a good decision, that they're putting their child in an advantageous spot. But I agree with you. I don't think you should. You you have to let them know that the world is not all Disney and peaches and cream, that you have to deal with things that are not that pleasant, and you should have the tools to do it.

Protecting Mental Health While Advocating

SPEAKER_04 29:55

Now, when it comes to uh protecting your mental health or just being balanced, how do you guys put protect your mental health and your emotional well-being while speaking and advocating on a sensitive topic?

SPEAKER_05 30:14

Therapy. Shout out to my therapist. Yes, I mean, yes, shout out to my therapist. I cannot thank her or her enough. My therapist really did get me through some very, very, very challenging times, and even to this day, has left me with coping mechanisms to protect, you know, um, my mental and balance everything out because you know, I'm a mom, I'm a woman out here in this world, and our mental is priority. So lately I've been walking a lot more, you know, getting into yoga and soundbathing, just trying to not allow um what we've been through to overcome us, you know, try to make sure I keep myself up as a woman, you know, get my hair done, get get a massage, travel, read, journal, just like every single thing that's good for our mental and for our soul, just trying it, you know. It can be something as simple as taking a bath, putting out some nice jazz music, you know, um, and then thinking about my sister, you know, she is a very outgoing person constantly when I get into those moments, which I do, you know, I miss my sister every single day, but missing her in a way that reminds me that her spirit is still here, you know, when I get in those, I hear her saying, girl, get up. Like, no, let's go get something to eat, let's go for a walk, let's breathe. You know, breathing is so important. Um, but just like constantly pouring into myself and having that satisfaction to pour into others, you know, encouraging. I send my friends, my family, maybe I will send you a good morning inspiration. I will drop a gospel song, I will drop a uh uplifting song, and you know, that's a reminder for myself too, because I needed to hear that. So let me share it with someone else, you know, because maybe they needed to hear it too, and just sticking together, being here to support each other more than anything. I have learned that just being there for each other, checking on checking on your strong friends, too. You know, that's helped.

SPEAKER_00 32:46

You better check on your strong friends.

SPEAKER_05 32:53

Exactly. Because we think they're fine, they're not fine.

SPEAKER_04 32:57

So how can the oh go ahead. And for me, protecting.

SPEAKER_03 33:03

I'm sorry. I want I don't want to. No, go ahead, and for me, protecting for me, protecting my emotional well-being starts with my faith. I pray, I give myself permission to step away when I need to, and I lean on the people who truly love and support me. That means speaking about Amber and our journey can be very emotional because it comes from such a deeply personal place. But I also find strength in knowing that sharing our story may help another woman, mother, or another family. I've learned that I can honor Amber by serving others and still give myself grace to rest, breathe, heal, and simply be sharing. That's right, girl. Some days are harder than others, but I take it one day at a time and trust God to give me the strength for the day. That's how I make it.

SPEAKER_04 34:18

Uh oh, I think we lost them. Their Wi-Fi went out.

SPEAKER_03 34:26

No, there's a lot of things.

SPEAKER_02 34:30

There we go. Here we go.

SPEAKER_00 34:32

Can you hear us? All right, could you repeat that again? Because we you dropped out. I want to hear what you were saying.

SPEAKER_03 34:40

No, I can't hear us. Okay. I said for me, protecting my emotional well-being starts with my faith. I pray, I give myself permission to step away when I need to, and I lean on the people who truly love and support me. Speaking about Amber in our journey can be very emotional because it comes from such a deeply personal place, but I also find strength in knowing that sharing our story may help another woman, mother, or another family. I've learned that I can honor Amber by serving others and still give myself grace to rest, breathe, heal, and simply be sharing. Some days are harder than others, but I take it one day at a time and trust God to give it to make me cry. Try not to cry.

SPEAKER_04 35:32

That's all you can.

Coat Drive Details And Ways To Support

SPEAKER_04 35:35

So, how can people support you? I um you guys mentioned a cult drive earlier. Can you tell us more about it and the pickup locations?

SPEAKER_05 35:47

Yes, um, Amber Sanctuary of Hope. We're hosting our second annual COT Drive in Columbia, South Carolina. Um, this year we decided to partner with the City of Columbia Mayor's Walk, um, which was which is excuse me, gonna be on um Saturday, October the 24th from 9 a.m. to 12 noon at Finley Park. Um to register for that walk if you want to support and join the city. Oh, so you guys will be here. We'll be here. You can go to the city of Okay, we will. Yes, October 24th. And so um you can drop off the coats at before or after the coat drive. Um, we'll be out there collecting coats um to donate to the women's shelter. We donate to Sister Care in Columbia, and then here in Atlanta, we donate to the Atlanta Mission, which is a shelter here. So we um we we have a goal to collect 100 coats this year. Last year was our first coat drive. We were able to donate, collect and donate 88 brand new coats. That's not including the gently used coat. So this year we're going for 100, and I feel we can do it, but definitely October the 24th, um, Saturday, Finley Park, City of Columbia Mayor's Walk. We will be there collecting coats and um follow us at Amber Sanctuary of Hope on Instagram. You can always send me a message. Hey girl, I got some coats I want to donate, and um, we'll arrange to pick those up for you. Absolutely. Ahead of time if you're not, you know, if if if you're not able to attend, but we would love to have as many people out there walking it out for a call with us with the city of Columbia.

SPEAKER_04 37:37

I will try to make it because I really want to meet you guys in person. Um, but if you also would like for us to post any of your information on our social media page, just email it to us and then we can help spread the word for you.

SPEAKER_05 37:52

I will. We we thank you greatly appreciated.

SPEAKER_00 37:54

Absolutely, definitely. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_05 37:57

We want to support those in need, you know, we want to support those in need. I know last year I was telling mom that I don't think I really noticed it so much, but it I started just noticing how many children did not have coats. Yeah, and it's cold outside, you know, they're out waiting for the bus. They're cold, they're in hoodies, or you know, and so just small gesture goes a very, very long way, you know. We're always collecting um donations for food, for shelter, for care necessities that these women need for transportation, bus passes. We also um donate bus passes because transportation's important to get around some some of us.

SPEAKER_00 38:47

Yeah, absolutely. Now, with with that information, I want to get this before before we wrap up. How do they how do they follow, keep in touch, ask you for what you may need? Where do they get in contact with you all at?

SPEAKER_05 39:06

So um Instagram, we have a page at Amber Sanctuary of Hope. There's a link there to get in touch, to donate. Um, always one call, one text, one chat away. Feel free to reach out there. Um, we also have an email, um, Amber Sanctuary of Hope at Yahoo.com. So always feel free to send an email, but I would definitely encourage um everyone listening to follow us at Amber Sanctuary of Hope on Instagram.

Staying In Touch And Closing Gratitude

SPEAKER_00 39:47

Well, ladies, I want to thank you for joining us on the Hilltop Globe podcast. We greatly appreciate you sharing the story, the information that you have, and then also explain us your drive and the reason why you want it is why you do what it is you do. Um, I know the importance of it. Being um a child of somebody who's going through this. Obviously, Tamai explaining her story. We always like to share this type of information on our podcast because outside of just doing information on entrepreneurs and creatives, etc., we understand that we live life. And as you live life, you go through things, and sometimes you need information on how to overcome obstacles. So don't be strangers. We'd like to have you on again, we'd like to see you in person.

SPEAKER_05 40:43

Yes, please let's make yeah. We're not far from Georgia. We come home a lot, so please let's keep in touch. This was really, really, really heartfelt, warm, and I feel like I'm at home. I feel like we're all together, we're not in the same building. We are all in sync. So thank you so much for having us and allowing us to share our story about my sister Amber and our mission here to give back to those who may be struggling.

SPEAKER_00 41:16

Well, I will tell you until the next time. Oh, oh yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. And here's the thing.

A Final Reminder To Speak Love

SPEAKER_00 41:25

Don't forget to forward us that information. We're gonna put it on our socials and we're gonna send it out. Um we will be here. Matter of fact, I that we can send you right. I'm gonna be out of town. I gotta go to the baby shop.

SPEAKER_04 41:37

I'm I should be free though. I should be free.

SPEAKER_00 41:42

But um make sure, um, as we always end, I like to tell people to make sure you tell somebody next to you that you love them, you appreciate them. We don't know when we'll get another time to do that. And then from the Hilltop Glove podcast, it's DJing what?

SPEAKER_04 41:59

It's Tamaya.

SPEAKER_00 42:02

In the back, we have our uh we had our little assistant today, his daughter. She's assisting us today. And then we also have Tamaia's friend in the background, she's listening in as well. And then and they said hi.

SPEAKER_03 42:14

Hi.

SPEAKER_00 42:15

They wait back and say hi. And then also our esteemed guest. Say y'all names, say y'all names. Yes. Thank you for having me. Thank you for having me. There we go, Sharon and Candace. We appreciate y'all being on the uh podcast. We will do this in person next time. But until then, next time, and y'all be peaceful, be safe, and have a blessed one. Peace.