SPEAKER_03 1:48

Welcome to the Hill Five Love Podcast. The motivational podcast for the hip hop millennial. Good morning, good morning, good morning. Happy Saturday to everybody. This is the Hill Top Club Podcast. I am DJ Ann What, and I have the entire cast of characters with me today. I have Phil. Y'all Mike. Y'all miss Tamaya. And today this is our Hey, there we go. This is our uh this is actually our season recap. We had an excellent season of recording different interviews and having guests up for conversations on a myriad of topics, just so that we could achieve the point of our con our podcast, our mission statement, which is to try to give some kind of assistance to adulting for us millennials as we quote unquote grow up and expand in our roles and responsibilities throughout life. But today, this is our relaxed podcast. We actually get to talk to each other about things that we're doing. It's like from sleeping in the background. I was about to, yo, that was my sleeping. That was my sweeping motherfucker. I'm up here cleaning my desk. I can't help it, man. I can't help it.

SPEAKER_06 3:15

Snoring a lot on the air.

SPEAKER_03 3:24

I'm a little OCD, man. I'm a little OCD right now. I was up here cleaning while I'm up here working. I saw something I need to clean up. My fault. I'm up here sleeping.

SPEAKER_05 3:34

Sounds funny.

SPEAKER_03 3:36

That's funny. But as you see, y'all, we were pretty relaxed today. We're chilling. But we are going to talk about some of our favorite, some of my favorite conversations that we've had, things that we've learned from doing this podcast this year, how we've gotten through the year, and what we look forward to for next season. Because we are going to be expanding in the sense of doing things in a little different in a little different ways, changing up our little marketing, etc. But this has been an excellent project, in my opinion. I've enjoyed it. It's been a blast. It's been great. Come on.

SPEAKER_02 4:08

I've been doing it. You're doing it well.

SPEAKER_03 4:11

Right? Especially for what we were dealing with and what we're what we're currently still dealing with, but exactly get your mind off of it. You know what I'm saying? Right, right. Exactly.

SPEAKER_06 4:22

You know, for everybody out there, like, you know, we I think I think all of us have experienced a sound recording to some degree, but this is this is the first podcast I've ever produced on. I think, Kev, you you've done some stuff for that. Yeah, I've done a little bit of stuff, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:35

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm a little bit. This is my this is my second podcast that I've done. Yeah, I've done this before, but I haven't done it to in this in this kind of format where you know what I mean. Like when I was doing before it was a student podcast, it was something I was doing in a way to get out some information in an educational way, but it had no real specific scope, if you would say. This one has a specific scope. And I'm telling you, man, it's pretty, it's pretty good, you know what I'm saying, polished in the sense of what we want to do for it being our first year. We have pretty good chemistry too, I would say. So I think we worked this out well.

SPEAKER_06 5:15

I I really like having four hosts that we can swap out on too, because sometimes we do it based on who the guest is gonna be and who has a connection to them, and sometimes we just do it on availability, but like it it does give like a a varied experience, you know. Like it's not not just the same people every weekend.

SPEAKER_03 5:32

You know what we feel like? What I think we what I I'm gonna tease, but yo, we we're like we're like 60 minutes for the millennials. Because you don't know who you're gonna get that weekend on that week.

SPEAKER_06 5:45

For all you zoomers out there, 60 Minutes was a TV show that used to come on in the evenings, and it would be like a news journal that would tell you all the detailed investigated items of the news. This was before fake news.

SPEAKER_05 5:57

This is that we used to have although actually, you know what?

SPEAKER_06 6:01

That's not true because they did, they did that. Was it sick? No, it's dateline that did that truck. Yeah, yeah. They got a truck where they blew the damn thing up. Yeah, yeah. They were and they got caught like hell too because the fire department was watching them. Come on, if y'all, if y'all don't remember this, there was this, I think it was a Ford truck. No, it was a GM truck, and they had this footage of it getting rear-ended and exploding. And everybody was like, oh my god, it's a death trap because they put the gas tank outside of the frame. But they have made the gas tank like it was a beast. And so when they they thought there was this problem and they set up to test it, and they did it several times and nothing happened. And they were like, Well, crap, we don't have a story. So what they did is they took road flares and strapped them to the underside of the gas tank so that they knew the thing would blow up, and the fire department was there watching them and was like, what the hell are they doing? And then after the story broke, the fire department snitched on them, and then of course GM sued the hell out of them. See what I'm saying? Yes. But this is back when you could sue fake news because they were actually a legitimate organization, not some guy in his woodshed.

SPEAKER_03 7:06

That's true. That's true. It has changed. You ain't lying. That's an interesting point you made right there, Mike, because I know people don't realize how easy it is to skew things based on, you know, setting stories up. And with the information that we deal with nowadays, a lot of that stuff is that. It's all the time that. But like you said, it comes from, you know, non, I guess you could say non-legitimate characters, so they can't be sued or touched in a lawway. Like, what are you gonna get from them?

SPEAKER_06 7:38

You gonna repo their trailer? Like what's there? Yeah, it's not worth it. It's not even worth the fight. Right. So you sue you sue NBC or something, then you get some money, but but you know.

SPEAKER_03 7:50

Yeah, man. But but back on topic, man, um, we had a very interesting year of conversations, and I'll tell you what, man, because we we did we had 17 full quote unquote episodes, even with some of them actually being, we had a little bonus episode. We rescheduled some, but we worked it around. And I just want to go around and ask you all, man, who did you all enjoy having a conversation with? Which one did you either listen back to? Because you know, we weren't on all of them with each other. What was one of your favorite episodes that we had this year? I know it's gonna be hard.

SPEAKER_02 8:28

That is hard.

SPEAKER_03 8:29

I mean, I came in halfway, so you know. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I know yours is gonna be a little different.

SPEAKER_02 8:35

I know the one that I was first featured on with LaShondra Wacker. That was a very good episode. That was a great episode. Yeah, I like that.

SPEAKER_03 8:45

I like that a lot. I love it.

SPEAKER_02 8:47

That was my number one, you know.

SPEAKER_03 8:50

What was your favorite thing about that episode, Tomana?

SPEAKER_02 8:53

Just because, you know, I get to talk introducing you guys to her and then talking about a whole different lifestyle of things that we need to incorporate in our everyday lives, you know? So I really enjoyed that. And I was literally like sitting right next to her as we were talking. So it wasn't like, you know, how we're doing it now over the mic. Literally, like right next to each other. So I enjoyed that.

SPEAKER_03 9:15

That's something I look forward to for next season, too, being able to do some of these in person. Yes. Yes. We've actually done that.

SPEAKER_06 9:23

I don't know how much of our of our audience of our hilltop tribe is aware of that, but usually we're all in different locations. That's true. Because of COVID, because this is the year of crazy shit.

SPEAKER_03 9:34

This is. This is what I'm dealing with. So, yeah, we've we've been making sure to hold up to those protocols, but I mean, it's not that it's hard. It's just different because we've all grown up in a generation where we've had access to analog and digital. And so we know how to use both, but we still, we analog creatures, we want to see people imparted in the flesh and actually took and talk talk to them and stuff like that. It does help, I think, to bring a bit of how you say of it makes the conversation more genuine because it's hard to dart away from somebody when you have to look them directly in the eyes, you know? Right. But I think we've done a masterful job of making sure that the conversations that we have had that we bring that truthfulness out of our guests, or our guests, some of our guests, they've come with the fire. They they come. I'll know one of my favorites was with Miss Shaw Day Pugh. She came with the fire, and she wasn't playing about it, man. And I like that conversation. Even though I wish, like I said, I wish that the uh the audio was a little better. But other than that, man, she dropped some jewels on us, and she was fierce about her her stance on things. Because I said she was running with the truth. So I like hearing stuff like that.

SPEAKER_04 10:48

I know for me, my favorite episode actually wasn't an episode I wasn't on our interviewing. I was looking at Yeah, because you know, because the thing is, because from the production side, I listen to every episode, even though, you know, I'm either I'm not gonna be on an episode or not. But my favorite one was a Queen's episode. Oh, Queens episode. I had a lot of fun with that one.

SPEAKER_06 11:12

That was the one we talked for two hours.

SPEAKER_04 11:16

And you know the thing about that episode that I liked, it was the longest episode, but it seemed like that one probably had the most energy in it. And that sounds kind of strange to think about that with an episode, you know, because usually with long episodes, especially our podcast, because we started out thinking we were gonna be short form. 30 to 35 minutes, okay? Yeah, listen 30 minutes. Yeah, that worked out. Yeah, so we kind of, you know, we kind of evolved into long form. And that was kind of, you know, that's kind of was that was the start of it. But it was so much energy and in the conversation, it was fun, but it was very informative. And that was, and that's the whole goal of what you know we try to do with our our podcast and the conversations. That was my favorite. Now I like all the the episodes, but that was my like clearly my favorite.

SPEAKER_03 12:04

Yeah, that one that makes sense. That makes sense because I mean you you could tell, like it's it was the passion that she was putting into the product that she was creating. And like you said, it's nice to the that we have this little 60 minutes format setup where we can have different folks come in for different reasons. And like Mike, your connection to her and that situation, it extreme it man, it made that such a smooth conversation, made it real. Like, like I said, genuine. Even though we weren't in the same room, we were everybody was relaxed, and we're honest and truthful about what we were talking about, and so it allowed for a great conversation and good interaction, and so I I enjoyed that a lot. I I'm gonna tell you, man, another one that I really liked, and I know we had to follow up with this in season two. It was hard to do this season. There's a lot of stuff going on, specifically for me, and I have to fix this too, man. My laptop's jacked up, so I gotta get a new computer today. This is sad, it's on its last legs, but crush rush. That and that was an excellent interview, and we must follow up about that doing the the news basically from our side because I know that will be something that we can use as a way to keep contact with our audience throughout the week when we do not quote unquote have episodes, especially because we're about to go into the fall, and it's gonna be a little different dealing with holidays and et cetera. So that would be a nice way to keep in contact with them. But yeah, Crush, excellent resource, man, excellent dude out here in the city, and we do have to keep in contact with him moving forward. Most definitely. Another thing that I was looking at was our our balance that we had this year between male and female, quote unquote guests. I think we did an excellent job with that. How do you want to do that?

SPEAKER_06 13:44

That was something that Skips set down very early. Was that he wanted it to be equal and even and not have this just become a bro fest? Because it very easily could. You know, a lot of podcasts do. Yeah. But if you if you're really trying to represent a culture or a whole like cross-section of how people are talking about and experiencing the world right now, you you really have to get that diversity in there. And yeah, I think that was we need a round of applause for Skip.

SPEAKER_02 14:14

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:16

Thank you, thank you. No, but you know where that's where did you do that, Kevin? Like, where did you get that that impetus to say this has to be something that's done?

SPEAKER_04 14:26

I remember from where I would think I've seen him do this before, but no, you know where a lot of this comes from, and a lot of this is just from an experience that I had, just from being in just the local arts, I guess, or creative scene here in Columbia. Even just from like a just let's just say, even specifically, just a hip-hop perspective. A lot of times you would just have, you'll have certain events. It's either it's all guys, all a certain age, all a certain demographic, going to the same event, same things, or it would just be just female oriented, you know, in this same demographic, same place. It's cool that you can get people together, you know, for to have a good time, but it's more important for you to be able to get people from all different walks of life. And so one of the things we learned, and that's like I said, one of the things that I got it from, which doesn't hold you this, and even Mike can attest to it a little bit, just experiences we had um when we were in college, when me and my brother were in college, when we used to do like house parties and stuff, that was one of the things we used to always really be big about. Was we were like, we just don't want to get this group of people, or we don't want to just get that group of people. We want to try to do something where we kind of bring everybody in together to hang out. Because who's who who's to say, you know, only you can hang out with these type of people or that type of people, they can't all vibe with each other. And that's just always been a continuation of that. And so even when we did things like other pro even moving forward, like things and projects such as like when we did beat con and we were doing the beat battles, that was something that was always very important to me. That's one of the purposes why that was one of the reasons why I always thought it was important to build relationships across, you know, with people who I might have not have traditionally come across in the scene that I might have been particularly in and to reach out. And that's you know, and so and that's just in essentially this is just a continuation of that. That's all.

unknown 16:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 16:23

That's good.

SPEAKER_06 16:24

And that's that's one of the things that you pitched to me when we were first talking about this was that you wanted to kind of create that atmosphere that we had when we were in school, you know, where you'd end up on the back porch at a party. And me personally, I always wanted to be on the back porch. Like I didn't want to be in the room where everybody was dead. I wanted to sleep off with the smokers and sit on the back porch because that's when real conversations happen because you can hear each other. Yes, exactly. That's true. Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 16:50

That's real. That's real.

SPEAKER_06 16:51

That's real. And you pitched it to me that you wanted this uh podcast to be like that kind of conversation where you know you find somebody and you start talking, you're like, wait a minute, you do Oak and Owen style karate? I didn't know that. Like, you know, it not necessarily the things that we know these people for, but all of these other aspects that go into their life. Yeah. And I think that's really important, and that's something that doesn't happen a whole lot. Yeah, that's the beauty of it.

SPEAKER_02 17:20

I appreciate that we all have our own like connections throughout the area, Columbia, you know? And then like when we come together, we can just all just join forces. Like, I love that.

SPEAKER_03 17:30

It does. Oh man, you're on line. It it brings a different funk to the to the stew. Because I know this stew is not like any other stew I've heard or listened to around around town or even in other or even in national brands. I haven't heard things like this. This is different, this is very unique because, like I said, it's not that it's not like it's not that we're all working together in the same field. It's not that we see each other every single day or anything like that. But when we come together, we do click. That's what I was saying at the beginning. We have pretty good chemistry, especially from having to work from a distance like this over this time. I think we do an excellent job with that.

SPEAKER_02 18:07

So, like, what do you guys think we could work on to like be better for next season?

SPEAKER_03 18:12

Man, I'm gonna tell you, it's just being I know for me, I was waiting for this one. I know I want to work on making sure I'm doing a lot of the side stuff that goes along with the show. And I know part of that is just doing it and feeling confident and doing some of that stuff. Because I know I had to move moving back here from Charleston, I've had to re-acclimate myself to the area, et cetera, of the people and where things are and how things are running. But as I'm getting more comfortable with it again, I'll feel that I'll be more um apt to jump out in the forefront and do certain things, especially when it comes to pushing the brand forward, just learning how to use my little link tree and stuff like that correctly, making sure that I'm putting out little mixes to go along with the episodes, and then also contacting people that we are going to talk to and start building that networking um with myself because you all have such a good and strong networking system up here. It's amazing like the amount, the different types of people that we have access to. I'm telling you, man, I have not seen, like I said, I'll say this again, I have not seen a podcast like this where it's this varied of the people that we're talking to. And it's not that very far from each other, but I'm not gonna lie, most of these people we wouldn't put them in the same rooms together.

SPEAKER_02 19:25

Right.

SPEAKER_03 19:25

Shoot. I would.

SPEAKER_02 19:29

I'm gonna call Mike the controversial.

SPEAKER_06 19:33

The controversy. Well, that's that's where everything happens and that pushes. That's that's where you actually like learn what you actually think and how you view the world, because if you if you're not, then you're just accepting what somebody else did and you're going along with it, and you're saying, oh, well, I believe this because I'm part of this group, and that's what you know, that's what we believe. And we're doing this, we're doing this horribly right now as a society with politics. It's like you are essentially born into your political party. If your parents are Republican, you are probably gonna be a Republican. And that's that's not a democracy. That's that's like that's like uh uh That's called sectarianism. Well, uh kind of if it's really that's no that's no, but it is It's almost more like feudalism kind of thing. Like you you are behoothened to this lord who is over this party. Seriously, man.

SPEAKER_03 20:19

Like like I can give you the feudalism argument because you're right, you're right. Feudalism was a big thing from the college, it was a big thing.

SPEAKER_06 20:26

But but you belong to that group of people and you you only used those coins that had that person's face on it. That's the whole reason we got coins. And as far as as soon as you left the area where their face meant something, then that money wasn't worth anything.

SPEAKER_03 20:40

Nothing.

SPEAKER_06 20:41

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very very little of it was actual gold or silver. It was passing around copper coins and crap. Exactly. That's why we had to have passwords so you can get from place to place. Yeah, yeah. Golden tablets to make them open the gates and stuff. Come on.

SPEAKER_03 20:58

It's not like that anymore.

SPEAKER_06 21:00

I mean, is it? I just had to get another driver's license. I just had to get another driver's license because some of the states don't like the way ours was.

SPEAKER_03 21:10

That's true, yeah. So in that stuff has never changed. It just uh it's just uh evolved.

SPEAKER_04 21:14

But you know, one of the things I did like I enjoyed um very much about this season is I loved listening to um everyone interview and everyone pair up an interview because it was great because everybody essentially got to pair off and do interviews as a team, at least one or two episodes. And I think that was dope. And it's cool because you got to see everybody's style too, uh, when they work with each other. Like, for example, like like on where you and um Tamaya, right? You guys have a particular style when it comes to interviewing together. Whereas me and Mike, we have a totally different style when it comes to interviewing. And it was just you just like seeing like the production and then just seeing like how the questions are posed and like the response and the feedback and how the conversation moves along. That was the most interesting thing, and that just shows just amazing versatility on our part as a unit.

SPEAKER_02 22:10

We just shit, we do shit.

SPEAKER_04 22:15

We trying anyway. We try it. We look like we look like the bootleg Voltron.

SPEAKER_05 22:20

We got a little Voltron going on.

SPEAKER_03 22:26

Yeah, it's cool. That is cool. I see what you're saying, Kevin.

SPEAKER_04 22:29

Yeah, because nobody does that. Like, like, because the thing is, I sit and around and I listen to podcasts all day long. Like, it doesn't matter if it's local, it doesn't matter if it's national. I'm always listening to podcasts, and I'm always listening to the style, and that's the unique thing about us, is not only the preparation part is a big thing. Because I think we do a really good job when it comes to preparing. Because sometimes you'll have podcasts where it's more just we're gonna just talk specifically about what our guest is about or what the guest wants to talk about. And if it and if it's a podcast about music, we're just gonna talk to artists or people relate, you know, relevant to music. Or if it's a podcast about philosophy, right? We're just gonna talk to different philosophers and stuff, right? And it's about thought, right? So it's but with us, we talk about it very deeply. Yeah. It's very deeply. It's a KRS one right there. Yeah, yeah. That's the thing. So it's like I go from on a daily basis, I go from listening to, like you said, that deep thought, the thought process today, to listen to people like, yeah, you know, my album about to drop. You know, I've worked on this for a while. Blah, blah, blah. That's what that's what I do on a daily basis. So no podcast is too big for me, or is it too small for me? I just listen and I just try to learn. And the thing which is so neat about ours is we kind of operate in our own little space and groove. And I've been like I said, I love doing this. And then most importantly, um I know for me especially, it was really important to work with you three from a personal perspective. Because when it comes to creativity for me, you guys are probably out of like the past, well, yeah, about the past five, ten years, you guys are probably like the three people I've worked the closest with on a creative basis and stuff. So it was very important to, like I said, to get you guys um to work on this with me. And I'm definitely appreciative of that. And I like I said, I think we're gonna do some dope things moving forward. I think so.

SPEAKER_06 24:36

Kev, too, you know that a little bit of background for everybody, but you know, you know, when I guess I guess my friends, some of my friends started wanting to rap, and I was like, well, you know, first we recorded some things over other people's beats, and then I was like, wait a second, we can figure out some beats. And then I heard there's this kid living living, you know, right across the way that that is just making beats too. And so we went and knocked on your door. I remember that. And this remember catered the door looking like Panama Jack. Yeah, this is real. Y'all with the straw fedora on, all that came out the door. Oh, hey, and then and then you just happened to live in Derek's old apartment. Yep. Isn't that funny? Yeah, well, I snuck out of your bedroom window so many times when I was growing up before you even moved into town.

SPEAKER_04 25:24

Yeah, I know you told me that. You told me that. That's why your closet messed up too, is because Damien Closet door, we're playing.

SPEAKER_03 25:33

Yeah, because yeah, that thing was so jacked. I was like, why is this thing not working?

SPEAKER_06 25:36

Oh yeah, Damien steered me through the closet door as we play a wrestling game. We got mad, and I nunchucked him in the head with the controller, and he speared me. Testosterone is one hell of a drug to teenagers. I just want y'all to all remember that as we head into parents. Yeah. Especially as as your male children start um hidden at puberty, they're gonna go crazy. Oh, yeah, they're trying to hurt themselves. And hurt everybody. That's what we do. But anyway, I guess I was going with that was y'all realized that that was 20 years ago now.

SPEAKER_04 26:09

Damn. Just throwing that out there. Yeah, I don't know. I realized that too. I was putting that together too. I was thinking about that just with you guys. I was like, dog, I've known them for over like most of my life now. Right?

SPEAKER_06 26:21

Oh, I've known this person 20 years, and you're like, damn, y'all.

SPEAKER_04 26:23

It's more than half my life, yeah. Oh, yeah. Damn. But yeah, of course, everybody knows what uh Ann What. Everybody knows how I know Ann What. I've known Ann What since he came home from the hospital.

SPEAKER_06 26:40

True story Mutual origins. Yes, mutual origins.

SPEAKER_02 26:44

Don't look anything alike to me. When like when you said you were brothers, I did not believe you.

SPEAKER_03 26:48

Yeah, that's my brothers. Yeah. We'll take it. We'll take it. We'll take it. We can do it. We used to look, we used to look too much alike, we used to favor each other hard.

SPEAKER_04 26:57

Yeah, we used to and my parents they used to dress us up in like similar outfits, but they would buy the same style shirt, but it'd be slightly different colors. Yeah. And we used to hate that shit. Oh gosh, we would hate that.

SPEAKER_06 27:10

Y'all twins?

SPEAKER_03 27:11

No, you ain't twins.

SPEAKER_06 27:12

No, not really. They just bought us the same shirt. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 27:17

Oh man, we hated that. Gosh. But um, and then as far as um to buy it, it was very interesting how I met you to my um how we crossed paths.

SPEAKER_02 27:27

Yeah, he was just like, yeah, let's do some creative stuff. And I'm like, okay, let's do it.

SPEAKER_04 27:33

Yeah, yeah, because I forgot because I met you guys, as a matter of fact. I think no, it was at Beat, it was before Beat Con. This is the interesting thing. If it was, I met you guys through Cole Connor. Oh, let me tell you this story. So, what I was still well, I guess I'm still, I still make beats, I still produce now, but um, I was working with Cole on Pride and we're doing some beats to subtract, so it's a project that him and Hero were trying to do or work on. But at the same time, I think Cole was starting his podcast and he was doing interviews, and he was interviewing Sylvia at his house when he stayed up in Columbia. And I remember I was stopping by because that was when y'all had the clothing line, the fly sweatshirts.

SPEAKER_05 28:17

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:19

Yeah, exactly. And so, yeah, he was interviewing her, and then they they were y'all they were having a conversation, and then that's why I stopped when I was chatting, and then that's what he was telling me a little bit about the um the stuff that y'all did, and of course, during the conversation, she was explaining and everything. And when it came down to beat con stuff, the idea was we always wanted to do, always want for years, even before I met Eric, I've always wanted to work with people on doing a beat battle because we saw that when the beat battles are done back in the day when we were participating in them, it was one of the few times in Columbia where you would bring in these different tribes of people across the hip-hop community together and they would all get along, you know, they would all interact and get along with each other. And so we always thought, so I was always like, that'd be something really dope to recreate. So the guys that originally did it, non-stop hip hop and live, now they start doing the what's the thing, love piece and hip hop. So they moved on to that. And so they didn't necessarily have the time or they didn't seem at the time wanting to put their effort and resources and do the beat battle, which is understandable because love piece of hip-hop is a huge thing. Right.

SPEAKER_06 29:23

Wait, so all of that started with Shakes and them? Yeah, that's all that's the original beat battle, the original beat con. Well, it wasn't beat con that, it was the beat battle. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, because non-stop hip hop live, beat string. Yeah, I remember him him seeing it, but I just thought it was part of the radio relationship or whatever, but they they started that. That's awesome. Yes, yeah, they started all that.

SPEAKER_02 29:47

As a matter of fact, they grew it from the ground up. That was it's it's a big event.

SPEAKER_04 29:52

Yeah, and so that's what happened. So when they stopped doing it, it it was just like I just felt like, man, this is something they should continue to do. So for years, I would bring up this idea with different people I knew and whatnot. And the concept was I was like, you gotta do the beat battle, bring it back, but you gotta have a content piece to it. You gotta be able to tell videos, you got you need the story, you need the imagery and stuff, because that's gonna get people to buy into it. But then also, you gotta be able to speak to a larger audience. You gotta be able to connect with a larger audience. Like, I'm not the expert of everybody that knows everything in Colombia or about different things hip-hop-wise in the city to bring people together, or even different perspectives. And so one of the things I knew was important was when it came to putting together a team, it couldn't just be all guys. And it couldn't just be people who listened to this type of hip hop or that type of music or into this type of scene. And so, and that's what essentially came that that was the process in putting together the group and the team that we had when we were when we started doing the B battles. And it was like, and what when I met Eric, that was like a catalyst for the justification for it. Because you saw when he was doing the producer session, we did the producer session over in Lexington, but Kingsley spotted spot. Yep, turn yeah, yeah, the Turntable City. That's what it should Yeah, shout out to our Turntable City. Yeah, shout out, man. Big shout out, Turntable City, man. Big shout out to Kingpin V O V. And the funny thing about it was when I when I approached Eric, I was like, hey man, this is something that could be done. This is a this is a cool thing. And like I said, you know, and I was like, I already know these group, this group of people who want, you know, who would be interested in working with us. And we just you remember that to mind, we just started working at the library. We would meet at the library and we start playing. And that's how we did it, and that's how all that stuff got started. But if it wasn't for, but now the connector with that situation was Angel was Louis Sky. Because he was the one, yeah, he was the one who told me about the producer session in the first place because I didn't know anything about it going on or happening. Man, that's how I got started. It's it's neat how those things work, though, man. It's those just different pieces. That's another cat we've known for 20 plus years. Say it again, bruh.

SPEAKER_06 32:09

Oh my lord.

SPEAKER_03 32:11

We go back with Louis Skye a long damn ways. Yep. Yep, very long, very long, man. I mean, shoot. And I know when I was down there in Charleston, that's who I used to we used to run around going for club to club BJ. Right. Mm-hmm. Because he's down, he's down to do it too. Yep, man. He was, man, that was ride die. It did not matter. Uh the situation, place, location. He'll have it back. Boy, we used to go to some cool places. At least have fun down there.

SPEAKER_06 32:37

Yeah, I know. Well man, every time I went down there to visit y'all, I had a blast. I might not remember half of it. But oh man, that was back in the store.

SPEAKER_04 32:45

Oh, let me tell this story. Let me tell the story to my mom. Oh, let me tell this story to my sister. I'm gonna tell you what Mike did back in the day. Oh, which one was this? Oh, man. You're not about to tell the story about the you know about to tell the story about you being about you being restricted, ambulatory. Your ambulatory restricted.

SPEAKER_06 33:06

That was fine. That one's fine. Yeah, that's not too bad.

SPEAKER_04 33:09

All right, so back in the day, when we were in school at the College of Charleston. So I was at USC. Uh USC. Yep. So they would Mike and then our friends like Debo, Jason, and we come down. I guess Trell at the time, too. Yeah. Because he was still back. Shout out, T Lo. Where are you at, bro? Shout out, Trell. I know, man. One of the last time I saw him, go ahead. But they would come down on the weekends, right? So they would come down on the weekends to come hang out because obviously it wasn't popping off in Columbia at that time. Not like that. But like all the college fly college stuff used to go on down at COC, right? So Micah Duh would come down on the weekends. They, you know, they'd crash with us or whatnot. You know, we'd go hang out, we would party and stuff. And one, I forgot what was going on that weekend. But I think it was a big thing.

SPEAKER_06 34:02

We were throwing a house party. It was you and Joe Stro were throwing a house party, and we were going to that liquor store and getting Burnett's and pouring it through charcoal filters on a brick pitcher, and we pour it through three times, and then it's triple distilled, triple filtered. And we pouring it back in a gray boot goose bottle and then charging people for cups. And that's exactly what happened. Yep. And everybody's sitting there taking shots of this Burnett's talking about, oh, it's so smooth. It's we're maybe 20 years old, maybe. Let's just don't know any better. We don't know shit.

SPEAKER_04 34:41

But they were drinking that liquor, though.

SPEAKER_06 34:43

Oh, it's so hungover. Shit, I knew it. I was still drinking it.

SPEAKER_04 34:49

Hurting. Man, I just remember. Is that hold up? Because the thing is when we tell these stories, and this is the issue we have, and this is a side note. The issue we have, we always tell these stories. Because every couple months or so, when we get together, we always tell these stories. But different parts of stories always get mixed in with other parts, but we still keep going on telling the story. So the story I was gonna tell was the one when you were chasing, when you were, I don't even because I can't say that now, because it wasn't like you were necessarily, because this is before we be two. You weren't chasing the girl. Let me just make that clear. You gotta be clear. You gotta be clear.

SPEAKER_06 35:25

That night was my broke legal. Those were two separate nights. That's what it's like. I had been in a car accident. I had a broke leg, and I was on crutches and Joe's apartment. And for those who have never partied in Charleston, y'all gotta understand that all of this college housing stuff is like 200-year-old houses. Like if you spill a drink on the floor, it will drip through to the apartment below you. Because that's what it is. So we're we're partying in this place, and I'm on crutches. And I'm like, I'm going in. He is, he is literally getting in. Or crutches. I'm straight up like shooting Everclear and blowing fireballs off the porch and like all of that crazy shit that you hear about white people doing. That's what I was doing.

SPEAKER_05 36:11

Oh man on crutches.

SPEAKER_06 36:12

Oh, that was funny. My fault. That was hilarious. At some point, I spilled an entire cup of like Everclear and something down in the top of my cast. So there's like straight alcohol reeking out of my cast. And I eventually had to cut the damn thing off because like that was after I went back home. But I was like, God, is it just it just smelled like Everclear? I go home and my parents are like, what the fuck? So I had to cut this off.

SPEAKER_04 36:40

This ain't working no more. Man, we used to. Man, I remember that. And I remember, was that the same time? Because, like you said, because it's weird with those stories. Because it's like essentially like a college.

SPEAKER_03 36:55

That's where we were over. We were on like the on the Montague side, like Montague Street, somewhere over there, like that near the College of Charleston. Yeah. Remember that little house, Kevin? Yes, I spilled, I got something spilled on my laptop that night, too. Yeah, that's why I remember that night so well. Cause I remember everything was getting ratchet.

SPEAKER_06 37:16

Will was down there getting crunk as hell, about to fight everybody.

SPEAKER_02 37:21

Y'all was wild.

SPEAKER_06 37:23

Oh, we had stupid wild. Stupid wild. Stupid. And we were good kids. Like we ain't, yeah, we ain't we ain't screwed nobody over. We drank when we weren't supposed to, and we smoked when we wasn't supposed to, but you know. That was it.

SPEAKER_03 37:37

Everything else was cool. Other than that, everything else was cool. We weren't doing no harm to anybody else. We were just looking, we were looking stupid, though. We were looking stupid.

SPEAKER_05 37:46

We knew it was no better.

SPEAKER_04 37:48

We knew no better. Yeah, tomorrow. That PWI experience is very different. It's very different.

SPEAKER_03 37:58

But yeah, that's how we that's how we know each other. We know each other for a long period of time. That's why the show, this show is the way it is, because we all either we know each other from we didn't just get together to do this podcast. Right. Which is what's cool about it.

SPEAKER_06 38:12

We've had years of those like 2 a.m. conversations about life, the universe, and how it all fits together and that, you know, that singular, that Otman. We we we've done that. We've done that. We already know where we all own at.

SPEAKER_03 38:24

Yeah, we're just it's just public now.

SPEAKER_05 38:26

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's just public.

SPEAKER_03 38:28

That's what's cool about it. But one of the coolest things about team was bringing and getting Tamaia to join us, us crazy people over here, talking about these crazy stories. I know she's listening right now, like, uh, who the heck did I get with? Who are these people?

SPEAKER_02 38:42

Y'all are I like to pick your brains, you know, especially Mike and his wife, Mila. Y'all yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 38:49

That's one of my favorite episodes, is one of the two that my wife was on. Yeah. Yeah, you better like letting us borrow.

SPEAKER_03 38:55

Thank you for letting us borrow your borrow usage of her during the for the episodes.

SPEAKER_06 39:00

Look, aside from her just being my wife, like she is legit professional with mental health. Like, she really goes in and she deals with kids all day, every day, going through everything a day going through. And the, you know, as woke as we were in our like late teens and 20s and stuff, like like these kids are figuring out that the whole system of everything is bullshit when they're in middle school. Yeah. And then what do you do with that? You know, do you do you just like go along with it and try to make money? Yeah. Or or what's happening now is suicide rates are going through the roof because they're looking at a world where everything is built on stuff that doesn't actually matter. And then, like, what are you supposed to do with that?

SPEAKER_02 39:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:42

There's no real foundation. Like, you're working your life to build up something that doesn't really exist.

SPEAKER_06 39:47

Well, we just kind of sidestep it and build the thing that should exist and fuck what does exist already.

SPEAKER_03 39:53

That's why I like the fact that I'm not gonna lie, tell people sometimes we got kind of lucky we're on that cusp because I don't want to be all the way on the other side or on this new generation. I feel bad for that new generation because they haven't been given proper tools to cope with some of this stuff. That's why Mila is so important because she has to get these giving them coping tools and teach them ways to properly deal with that stuff. That's our job though. That's gonna be our job.

SPEAKER_06 40:19

That generation, their parents, mostly their fathers, but they were they were fighting in a war. Yeah. You come back and you look at all these people that that that came up in the the the 50s and the 60s and the 70s, like they like like emotional coping skills, talking about emotions, that was like not a thing. Not only did it not exist, but if you talked about it, that was some weakling stuff, and you were just ostracized instantly. So now even the fact that they're like terminology, yeah, that we can we can talk about the fact that something bothers us, and like that, that's a huge step. You gotta have these words to be able to use those technologies of existence.

SPEAKER_03 41:02

It makes a big difference. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it has to, man. I know that's one reason why I like that we had those discussions on our podcast, especially for us being a quote unquote a millennial hip hop, millennial adulting podcast. This is stuff we don't normally get to talk about in our in our quote unquote the culture as they call it. The culture don't like talking about these things. We we don't handle these things well based out of you know fear of the unknown and also, you know, when you don't, when you fear the unknown, and then you don't want to be embarrassed for showing weakness. This is this hyper masculinity idea that you never show weakness. Oh gosh, our culture's horrible about that thing. You can't show they don't even let women show weakness no more. Especially women can't show you can show zero weakness. Matter of fact, tell me if I'm correct on this. I need to check this to make sure I'm not lying. Didn't they allow aren't women being allowed to be conscribed into the into the army now? Not not. Bring all bring bring them in, have them sign up for the draft.

SPEAKER_06 42:04

You're gonna have to do selective service. I don't know if it passed, but that was definitely something that was coming up. I'll have to look, man. I've been so absent on so much of this news because fuck it.

SPEAKER_02 42:15

This fake news, like you said.

SPEAKER_06 42:17

Yeah, but you can't even you can't even mess with that. But there was also a point in my life when I thought that us knowing what was going on could help us. And that there was there were things that we could do, but as soon as and I don't I don't mean to be negative or pessimistic because I really do think that we can change the world, but it's through interactions with people, not so much trying to change the giant massive systems that have ruled us for thousands of years. Like, I don't I don't I don't know that that's what I want to take on. I don't want to take on a family that's had gold back before there was you know yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:50

I'm just on level all that.

SPEAKER_06 42:51

I don't want that for a while.

SPEAKER_03 42:53

I don't want to affect y'all lizard people. No, no, I can't have that one. No, I believe you on that. I believe you on that one because I like how you said that. Because the the issue I tell people all the time, it's not trying to stop them from being them, it's just making sure that there's no one else to do it with them. Meaning, like if you get all the regular folk just we doing our own thing, they don't have anybody to pay. They just gotta sit up at their little expensive places by themselves and you know deal with themselves. They ain't gonna have no help because they can't do anything without people.

SPEAKER_06 43:23

Labor is always the resource. Yes. Come on, because that's what I'm saying. Yeah. If you want to do something that takes your whole life to do it, that's a huge like dedication. But say you want to do something that takes more than your whole life. Right. Well, now I gotta go and talk to another person and convince them that what's important to them is not important, and they need to switch that over and do what's important to me. And on a very fundamental level, like that is mind control. I'm taking an idea in my consciousness and I'm using words, magic words, to make your consciousness know what I'm thinking and to agree with that. And that's kind of that power thing for forever. It's been like other people to do the things that you want to do.

SPEAKER_04 44:07

And you know what I gotta give people credit for? I and with that being said, I really gotta give credit to people who are artists, artists, artisans and creatives, like full time. Because you think about it, there's so many forces like that that are you know constantly being thrown at those individuals on a daily basis. And then just for them to have that discipline in itself, especially for things that from societal standpoint are usually attributed to having lack of discipline. Like people don't think about people who do, you know, who are in the creative work or in arts as those as those that have discipline. It's usually those other things, like you said, that very regimented, that very structured. You go here, you know, you go over here and you do, I need you to do X, Y, and Z for me, and I will compensate you for that. And like I said, and so I just have a whole different respect for those people and stuff, like the you know, like the Tamayas of the of the world and whatnot.

SPEAKER_02 45:13

Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_03 45:14

You better get enough flowers because you it takes a lot of it takes actual bravery because you don't have a system or machine backing you. I tell people all the time, man, this stuff that you see, a lot of stuff that's going on that we witness and watch every day, it's set because somebody moved money somewhere to allow for people to be in specific positions at specific times to be waiting for things to happen. When someone has to create all that stuff from scratch themselves, make a movement, have people follow. so that they can see what they've been working on and it be some some kind of create some creative-based solution or whatever it may be, that's way more valuable than somebody who has somebody throwing millions of dollars in order to get people to pay attention to this quote unquote star that they created over here. It's a totally different value system, man. I value that, like Kevin said, I value that way more than than that, the the money back stuff. It is, it makes it totally different. There's no kind of comparison. Well if you make it something with no oh go ahead go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 46:17

I I really just want creatives to be comfortable creating their own content. You know like don't be scared just because of what society's doing or what you see on TikTok. You don't have to follow that same wave like each individual is authentic. So find your authentic self through creativity. So that's why I kind of just put that thing out there.

SPEAKER_03 46:35

What's it gonna take to protect creatives? Because that's what we're about to start saying like creators are going to have to start being able to protect themselves because they got this thing called cancel culture. And they can get rid of you. And they don't look here's the craziest thing about it they can get rid of you with people who aren't even your fan base. Meaning they don't have to like you they've never even seen you before in their life if they can put you out there in front of certain people um in specific ways then they can create enough of a of a cavalcade just to take you down okay so which is weird.

SPEAKER_06 47:07

Boycotts have been around for forever. In y'all's mind, what is the difference between the old school model of boycotting and the cancel culture? Because I I understand why certain organizations get canceled but the other part of it is that the more that we're just automatically canceling everybody that disagrees with us then the less dialogue there is and the less of work on that there is. No, you can't just go back to telling every you know every audition that you have that they're gonna have sex with you or you're not gonna hire like that. No, that's that's fucked up.

SPEAKER_04 47:45

You don't do that I think the issue is when it comes to cancel culture I think the problem that arises is usually let's just say you take let's just let's just use and what for example let's just say he's artist A right artist A makes B statement right and I don't agree with B statement right like for me for my world view right I don't I feel like B statement is very harmful and it's disrespectful and it causes harm you know just causes harm. I think it's something that needs to be addressed and B statement should not be made and there needs to be it needs to be addressed right with cancer culture you have people who get upset about B statement but in actuality they have a whole list an alphabetical list of other things that they want to put in along with B statement. So they're like yeah well I don't like B statement but I also don't like C D E F or G.

SPEAKER_06 49:00

And if I put those together even if that person didn't intend to right exactly and I think that's what happens.

SPEAKER_04 49:07

So it's like if there's a disagreement on something or we have we come to general consensus this is bad okay well this is bad. This is also bad too and we also need to do something about this and we also need to do something about that. And I think what's what's what's really interesting about it is it doesn't really solve a problem because all the problems that you feel like you're trying to solve you're giving those on the opposite side of the spectrum you're giving them more justification for why they shouldn't support you because of the fact that you tag other things onto it because it's not just resolving one problem. It's a laundry list of things. And I think that's what's happened with our society especially when it comes to things on when it comes to politics and I think that's the reason why you see so much stagnation when it comes to getting things done. And just think about this is the funny funniest thing has anybody seen this is where I'm gonna date myself and I guess this is because this is like millennials we're at that perfect age. But y'all remember we were little kids and they had schoolhouse rock used to come on 86 y'all remember that and you remember they talked about I'm only a bill sitting on capital hell I didn't remember right and what people don't realize is you got a bill right but because of the nature of how legislation works you tag other things onto it right in order to get it passed. So let's just say there's a there's um there's a manhole that needs we need to buy a manhole right or we need to do something where all the manholes are um for the sewers are up to date right yeah that's cool that's something we all need we don't need old manholes we don't need sewage coming out right but people be like well I'm gonna throw this bridge in here too because I need this bridge over here. That's infrastructure too that makes sense let's just throw it so all of a sudden you add all these different things are added up you know they're all added to this bill so it looks totally different. Like yeah you got the manhole thing in here but you got all these other things. And I think that's the issue that you have politically so you'll have like a wedge issue right you'll have something like abortion right either your pro-life or your pro-choice right but those people will then attach other things other issues with that but it's like hey if I'm already on this boat now I it's like I have no choice but to go along with everything else because that's the only way they're and I think that's what you see a lot now just with any type of issue that comes aboard. So you see people just kind of like pinning you know just like with bills they disagree disagree with people in normal and they don't even know what they'd be agreeing with.

SPEAKER_06 51:57

But but they they recognize the the lines that have been set up because that's the other thing too is is there have been lines there's well but see we all have this very like I mean not everybody there are people that are very very but most people that you interact with have got a good understanding of a lot of gray a lot of gray area a lot of people that might do bad things for good reasons or good people that do bad things for bad whatever. You know like it's just all over the place. And the number of people that actually want to like obliterate the other side is actually very small. Of course but what ends up happening is they set it up in such a way where there's only two sides. And this is if y'all remember back to I guess either logic in college or high school whatever debate I guess yeah debate. Either or fallacy. You're either with us or against us give me liberty or give me death there are so many more options death anytime somebody gives you two options they are trying to fuck you okay yeah remember this remember so much more out there. Well my man Keenan I want you to say lesson think about it when they try to right now we get two options we get Democrat or we get Republican. And guess what? If you're black I don't there's I know a few black Republicans in my life to vote for the Republican Party because currently it has kind of made itself a place where racists and bigots can hide out. Even if that's not their agenda even if a single candidate is saying that they want to do things like you know government staying out of my business seems like a great idea.

SPEAKER_03 53:41

Yeah I like that idea but it's being applied you know yeah yeah how's it being applied and why and why those people over why do those people want the government out of their business?

SPEAKER_06 53:52

Oh you're gonna tax us less that sounds like a great idea you know but then you go into stuff like I don't know if y'all have been following this but there is a huge amount of money coming for education. I think South Carolina is going to get over a billion dollars over the next four years.

SPEAKER_02 54:11

Big money let's see what they're gonna do with it.

SPEAKER_06 54:15

Well one of the first things they've done is decide that all of the local school districts can't use this money for any kind of masking stuff. So if we are heading into another convenient if we are heading into another masking situation if Delta starts taking off and everybody's got to mask up especially with these younger kids because they can't get vaccinated. No, they can't so all their parents can be vaccinated except for like the one kid and then the whole school can get COVID and is still spreading rampant unless they go back to masking. But we have that item becoming a politicized thing that either you are against freedom or you're a crazy no vaxxer. And there's a lot of in-between there's a lot of people that do things for a lot of different reasons. My sister has a history of epilepsy she cannot get the vaccine because her doctor said don't yeah because it can give you a seizure because all vaccines can if you're insensitive in that way exactly exactly now I think a lot of it comes down to this is my this is just my this is just um my theory so it's not proven or anything like that.

SPEAKER_04 55:25

So it's not like you fact check that you can find it. Right right right but I think a lot I think a lot of it has to do with our mindset as Americans because if you notice we have a we have a really bad disconnect when it comes to cause and effect especially when it comes to things outside of ourselves let's know so if it's something that's outside of one our family our family our social group or whom we identify with right something can happen like think about let's just look at Columbia for example right everybody knows all the neighborhoods you have in Columbia right the ones that are left yeah ones that are left right ones that are left yeah all right and we're talking about Columbia metropolitan so I don't mean like just 29201 2920 I'm not the summit you know how people get no that ain't Columbia that ain't Columbia not talking about that just Columbia metropolitan area. All right you know you have Lexington you have Faro Road right you have Garner's Ferry you have Shandon you know all Casey West Columbia right or Casey all right so the way we look at the world is if something happens in the summit right if something happens in the summit right people will get upset about it you know but they'll get upset about it they'll make their comments on it based upon what they feel is who is out in the summit, what kind of things go on out in the summit, so on and so forth, right? They'll make their statement but they make that statement feeling as if it has no impact on their lives whatsoever. So if you're in Lexington and you hear about something happening on the summit, well I'm not surprised that's happening blah blah blah blah blah they'll make their statement about something you know it might be questioned like a stereotypical statement not going to say what it is right but because it could be anything but they make their statement and they move on but it has no impact on their life. Now even if you get closer you can something can happen over in something can happen in Gilbert right people will say what they say right and they're still like still say what they'll say and they go on about it right but they feel they have no connection to it or they don't feel as if it's gonna come and affect them.

SPEAKER_02 57:55

Right.

SPEAKER_04 57:55

Now that's the issue we have in this country is whenever we see things happen, it's like well it's happening there it's not going to happen to me. So even so when the pandemic started happening right and they start seeing these people get sick they're like oh they're like well think about black people great example of black people oh we don't be traveling like that only white folk getting sick that ain't no seriously we don't go to China only white folk getting sick right next one right then you had the thing about the cities oh yeah they only getting sick in Seattle you know Seattle you know they're it's an urban thing you put too many people in the same place this is what happens but we're fine out in the country it's it's cool right that's exactly it or if you got somebody or and then when they drop the vaccines right when they start when they start dropping the vaccines and people were still getting positive they're like see it don't work anyways you still got blah blah blah I haven't had it yet it's not bothering me and my family. And what happens is people who usually end up changing their mind on their view regarding COVID and whether or not they need to get vaccinated or not or use mask are people who have been directly impacted by it. So because the thing is with us we've been conditioned to think we live in a bubble compared to everywhere else in the world in a lot of cases so if you go to any other country in the world let's say you go down some let's say you go down to Nicaragua for example I don't know about the politics down there, you know I'm just saying but let's say you have a you have a situation in a village and rioting is happening in a village because of something negative something with food shortage or whatever right is happening in a particular village. Right? The people in the village five miles down the road 10 miles down the road when they hear about it they're not gonna be like oh okay that's just their village that's not going to really impact us. They're gonna be like what do we need to do to get ready to prepare because this might come to us as well or these people might come over here looking for something. Right or if we have excess we got to send it community idea. Yeah that's it and like and that's the thing like we don't think about like we don't see ourselves connected to we don't see ourselves connected to our fellow citizens we don't see ourselves connected to this world. So all these things that happen are always are always going to be foreign to us unless they directly affect us. So unless you somebody is sick as a dog in the hospital or dies, they don't a lot of these people don't care. That's why you see all these numbers going back up because it's our mentality it's our mentality is causing the virus individualism. Yes. And I'm gonna go back before I stop I'm gonna go back to something uh Mike mentioned a couple months ago and I thought it was I thought this was one of the sharp smartest things you ever said most telling the things you ever said but you were like the thing which is very interesting about this virus he was like man this is probably one of the smart this is like probably one of the most dangerous viruses people don't realize because the and you and you broke it down you're like the whole thing is is this a virus's whole idea job is to survive and to replicate doesn't necessarily mean that a virus has to kill everybody because if a virus kills if it kills yeah it kills right a virus's job is to replicate and y'all all done played Plague Inc the game y'all know how this works. Yes yeah yeah and that's what he was breaking it down and he was like yeah he was like that's perfect because he was like gets people sick but he gets people sick yeah people go but it doesn't do it just enough to get people to change their minds because it's still stuck in their mind period for two weeks before you show symptoms like that's like designed to spread and I'm not saying it's some some conspiracy stuff but maybe go ahead Mike go ahead and get into it.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:45

Go ahead and get them out. All right shut us down uh yeah when when when Trump first started talking about that lab in China the the Wuhan um laboratory I forget the proper name of it. Research Wuhan final research laboratory when he started saying that they designed a virus everybody was like oh hell here comes some more that Trump bullshit I mean except for the people who are like yes that's exactly right because you're already here but but now it's starting to come out a little bit more that there because there are people in the scientific community that think that the way that we fight viruses is that we experiment with viruses, exactly fight them before they show up. So we mutate them in a lab, watch them infect animals, come up with the way to fight it and then when it actually does happen in the wild we'll know how to do it. That's a very logical yet also asinine idea.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:46

Yes. Thank you.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:48

Thank you yes it is and apparently there had been a lot of funding that had been going to that lab for this specific purpose whereas a lot of the programs that were being in there were saying no we're not doing this but there's some there's some weird shit there that I need somebody who's an actual real journalist to dig in and find out what the hell is going on but it's quite possible that that was a designed virus not as a bioweapon but as some kind of scientific experiment and it got out. And that's and now that it's you know very clear that it's crazy freaking contagious that makes sense. And it happens in labs all the time like this is not like some far-fledged thing there are people that get infected with flu virus making the flu vaccines it's just that's not such a big issue.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:35

And this is why this is why like I was we kind of we're discussing this earlier this week this is why now I was telling folks like all right this is why I thought it was from the beginning. That's what I thought it was as soon as I heard about the thing I was like okay somebody made a mistake and they're working on this and the reason why I understood this is because I knew that when Obama was in office he created a task force to deal with this he also allowed for some of these viruses to be taken out of our viral testing facility that is at the end in the CDC is all public knowledge just go look it up.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:08

Yeah say the crazy shit off of Reddit like this is not Reddit this is on the regular Washington Post and this is regular stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:15

So if you paid attention to what happened this is where the whole creepy the quote quote unquote conspiracy part of it comes in this is where it gets weird. All of that was fine because technically it was like we gave some bank robbers marked bills so that we could catch them because it was almost like I'll put it like this our government knew we were dealing with somebody with quote unquote a rogue agent out there they doing their thing but they didn't have any proof on them. So they're trying to catch him like Al Capone. You can't catch him for doing his what he really does on the side which is the bad stuff so we'll catch him for tax evasion. We were going to catch them for something that the UN was going to have to vote against which was that they were tampering with biological agents to use them to create viral weapons, right? Cool. We had all that stuff set up but now Trump came in and he he destroyed the agency that was prepared and taxed with protecting us from it and making sure that they were following and keeping up with it. Now this is where it gets the conspiracy part gets in. This is what I tell you especially people who are Trump I mean that's not even a conspiracy that's that's like a fact of conservatism we don't want regulation. That's my point. But that's why you got to look at it like the quote unquote the conspiracy part of it is why would you stop the organization that was scheduled and set up it had a task to complete a mission. The mission wasn't a quote unquote a public mission but it was because you can read about it and see what it was. He stopped that organization right as we found out that what they were doing over there was failing because they had improper ways of holding on the specimens simple as their freezers their the refrigerators etc they had had poor sealing seal seals on them they had improper ways to check in and out for decontamination from their facilities this is all the stuff I read it's the most boring reading you'll ever do which is the funny part about it. It's not sexy at all. But when you read it you see it looks so simple it's like oh so this dude just came in behind him and made a horrible decision. And we've been dealing with the repercussions of that decision ever since and they try to clean it up make it look like the other side did it or whatever it was but like you said it what he did follow that whole conservatism idea of making sure you had less government regulation. But the government was running this program meaning it was a it was a task force that was sent out to make sure we could catch somebody doing something we knew they were doing we just needed proof and so we marked ourselves that's why when it came back and it hit back from the shores they knew what it was they knew what it was but the organization that was supposed to handle this was no longer around that that hurt my heart it just wasn't there.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:44

It wasn't that they randomly picked a government agency and we're like oh we should delete this one it's not doing anything like when those kind of decisions happen somebody is lobbying and saying this regulation is affecting our ability to make money and we need you to remove it because we got to do lessons lessons yeah like like we they don't they don't just do this on principle it is it is all money.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:09

Yeah it's all about business all business and I think that's what people don't understand about a lot of these situations like I always tell people it's not it's not as it's not as deep as what you think it is. You give we give a lot of we give people in power or people who have money way too much credit. Or we give think like we make them all seem like they're super evil villain geniuses. And I think conspiracy theories just inflate all that and really that's what it comes down to like one of the things that I laugh about going like just still honest Talking about COVID and the vaccine in particular is what's going on in the National Football League. And particularly, and last week there was an article that came out in regards to some comments. Jerry Jones, um, Jerry Jones, very rich, wealthy, powerful man, one of these people, right? That folk would talk about he's the owner of the Dallas Cowboys, right? And they he was talking about how with the players, because there's been some backlash even amongst the athletes, the players in the NFL, about getting vaccinated, because they have their own reservations, which everybody, you know, you have a right to have your reservations in your opinion. Because we don't trust anybody now.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:23

Yeah, we we can't trust the government, we can't trust the media, and most of us don't trust our doctors, but then we're gonna trust a rando on YouTube or some guys with a podcast, like you gotta trust somebody.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:38

He's right, he's right.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:39

You're trying to figure out who to trust. But yeah, Kevin continue. So um one of the things he uh mentioned was uh the fact he's all these players are gonna get vaccinated. I'm gonna make sure all the at least X amount percentage of players get vaccinated. And then they asked him why. And literally what he said was, well, we gotta get everybody back in here and we gotta get these games going.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:00

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:01

Simple. So so really, and that made me really think a lot about the vaccine, right? And the purpose why the vaccine came about, or at least in most people's minds, if you don't know the background, you don't know the history of mRNA. Um, research that goes in.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:22

Yeah. It's been going on for such a long time. It's they've been working on this for such a long time.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:29

Yeah, how they create vi and how they create vaccines and stuff and the processes that they go through, you gotta realize a lot of times the motivation is really just the economic motivation. So think of you got to think about the fact that a lot of these businesses and a lot of these corporations, as a result of COVID, have lost a lot of money. So why wouldn't they, just a common sense standpoint, if I'm losing a lot of money because of something going on, I should want my whole goal as a businessman is to find out a way to get rid of that problem so I can go back to making money. That's a pretty nonsense, that's pretty a common sense thing. So there's so that gives you the emphasis on putting those resources into place to get what you need to get get created, and particularly the vaccine into people, like into people in order for you to get back to business. Because it's not really that you necessarily care about people, you just want to get back to making money. Right. That's it. That's obvious, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:10:36

Yep, yep. Now it's not a natural state, and that's not something that we've done throughout history as a people. Well, some folks have, but not everybody.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:45

Yeah, and that's what I thought about, you know, and that's the whole thing, and that's what made me laugh, and that's what made when I heard it, I was like, oh, they he finally told the truth on that, and they admitted to it. And there ain't there's nothing, there's nothing in it.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:56

There's you know why you you know one reason too why he is so serious about another in reading into what his message was, and this is Kevin, we were talking, I told you, Kevin, we get in football this season, and Cam Newton is not missing any games for the New York Patriots.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:11

Kill the Cal.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:16

Because, like you said, that's the one thing that keeps us in line. Because what they realized is when everything was shut down, all that stuff was down, and people are allowed to come out, rates of lawlessness just shot up. Certain things that weren't happening as public as they as in, you know, as they are now weren't, they just started popping up because you had no, you there was no bread and circus. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:37

Well, then you also had pretty much like, I don't know, I don't know what the actual numbers were, but like most of the part-time employees at most corporations, and then everybody in restaurant and retail and everybody went home. Everybody got either fired, laid off indefinitely, like even right now, there's not enough people in the workforce.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:56

And what do you do? What do you do with that? Like, you see what like people don't understand. There's a real, there's a real formula for calculating the what you have for workforce to what you can put in who you put into the workforce to who's gonna have now have to go to jail. Because they know that these people can't work. So they're either gonna A, go out there and just die from indigency, or they literally, or they they or they're gonna probably end up in jail trying to do something illegal if they can't sit self-sustain. You see what I'm saying? This is a real thing. So they they do this with the when when soldiers come back from war. They try to make sure that there's enough spots and places for them to work at because they know what happened after the Vietnam War was these guys came back, they had nowhere to work, but they had skills. Their skills were stuff that you could use to rob banks, take over armed car or armed Brinks trucks and stuff like that. They don't want that to turn the other way. I'm trying to tell you this year, we're gonna get some football this season, y'all. We watch the football also. I'm gonna be at some USC football games. I saw Kevin, because I got to go get my vaccine now because, like I told Kevin, this is not the same thing we were dealing with before. Now this thing is wild. So you gotta get some kind of protection before you get out there. But I know we're gonna get that stuff at this this fall because of the fact they need some kind of control on the people. Well, you saw Japan. We have Olympics right now.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:15

And like so whack. There was 11 people inside the bubble that tested positive before they even started. But they were like, hey, we done put off for a year. We built all this shit, we gotta have these games. I told you, we're getting our games this year, y'all. Yeah, we're getting our games. NFL has always been like the best bet in business. Like, if you know, there's never been an NFL team that's like lost money, even when they suck. They just make money. And then they sell it somewhere else, and the city gives them a ton of money and they make more money. Well now. They ain't gonna let that happen. Hell no.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:52

You saw what happened with the Super Bowl? Like, they didn't, they weren't quote unquote really supposed to have that many fans, but they filled that thing up as best as they could. I'm telling you, they're gonna straighten over those laws.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:02

I ain't watched NFL since Coppernick.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:05

See what I'm saying? Look, this is what I mean.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:07

Like, you know, NFL.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:09

I canceled NFL.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:10

Fuck NFL.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:15

I really personally think it's still slavery. So I don't support.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:19

Okay, so okay. Well, seeing that it goes into the actually, I want to hear more about that.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:26

I like this.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:26

I like your show.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:28

Like, you're on the field killing yourself for the people in the stands. They don't even care about you. They just spend money on you. It's all about money.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:38

That's why we call it, I called it Brazil Circus for a reason. However, I will tell you this. It's a it's a it's an interesting form of slavery due due to the fact that I'll put it like this now nowadays there's more of a John Till experience in the sense that they they start on from youth and they literally raise them to be in these in these leagues to do this work, just like they do in Europe.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:03

This is the way you get your education. This is the way that you you take yourself and your family to another level. This is how you get rich. This is your way to change your community. This is what they do.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:15

You're a recruiter.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:19

And then what's his name? What's the name of that USC that blew out his leg and then and then re- Lattimore? Yes. Lattimore. They screwed him over twice. They did. They really did. No more scholarship for you. What the hell?

SPEAKER_03 1:15:31

They really did. And they, you know what they did with him that was so messed up? That was at the time when they had started the whole process of giving high-value players like him some sort of insurance plan so that if that did happen, they'd be okay. But our backward system didn't have one ready for him. At USC, they had one for Reggie Bush and Matt, like all those folk coming out at that time. And they still do it now. But they didn't do it for Marcus Lattimore. And that's the whole reason why I like with other people explaining that you should pay them some kind of quote-unquote salary or something back from it because they are out there putting their bodies on it.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:04

Put it in a trust. If you don't want to pay them straight up, put it in a trust. And and don't let them, you know, like once they graduate or whatever, or they blow out a knee, like, here, you got something to go and get some certificates from tech so that you're not just like working at McDonald's after being a superstar.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:22

Exactly. Because that makes zero sense. Because I always talk about this. The the value of education has never changed. But the cost, and this is what the different value and cost, totally different things. But the cost of it has exponentially rise since the 1970s, especially since the in the 80s with the attack on the university systems being uh funded by public funds, or specifically state funds in some states. You this is this this is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard was people come on grown humans, grown humans, people over the age of 45, and say that uh this was on a sports report, this is what was interesting, and Kareem was sitting on the panel, Karim Abdul Jabbar was sitting on the panel when they were discussing this, but they had two people fighting against the fact that they that these players should not get paid because of the of because of the value of the education. And I said there is no value in that education. You get that education from that university, it doesn't say that you're gonna get a job, it doesn't state that you'll be able to have that money back at all. All it does is show somebody improve on a piece of paper because these aren't certificates we're talking about. These university degrees, and most of my liberal arts, they're just saying that you know how to think. I know how to do some critical thinking. I can problem solve.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:32

If you're paying for my education with a regular kind of academic scholarship, I get out of class and I take my ass home or I go to work, whatever. Say it again. But now you're getting out of class and you've got to go and put in basically a full-time job in your training hours. Yes, right? And destroying your body at the same time, particularly with football. You are destroying your body.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:54

Those linemen destroying those knees.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:57

Well, and how many people have we seen with with traumatic brain injuries that are going through like all kinds of stuff later in life? Everything. And then you got people complaining about you know the helmet changes and stuff. And like trying to keep these kids alive so they don't just kill themselves for your amusement. That is slavery.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:16

That is, no, seriously, what's my man saying? Like, you're angry because you can't hit somebody at 35 miles per hour through the chest with your helmet. Bro, you don't need to play that sport. Like, it's a sport. It's supposed to be, you're supposed to come leave the game alive. Like, this is like this is the weird thing. Almost sense of us becoming more brutal, but we're supposed to be getting better. Is we aren't supposed to be looking like the gladiators anymore. You can't we can imitate gladiators, but we shouldn't look just like gladiators. And I think a lot of people are gonna have to get that through our head that that's not how it's gonna look no more, but and still enjoy it. If you don't want to enjoy it, it is up to you. But yeah, there's that that's that slave component behind it.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:55

But yeah, but I think, like you said, I think it's just I think there's always just always going to be those types of morays in a society or those values, especially and they're always gonna kind of repeat themselves in different forms or fashion. It just depends on the era, the time frame that you're in. Like you said, just going back to, you know, yeah, you have gladiator days, right? Now you have, like you said, yeah, you have football, but also think you also have boxing, you also have UFC, and then you gotta look at, and those are the things people don't talk about, but you gotta think about what are the things, what are the what are the things that surround those types of sports too, and the mentality and the mindset of the people that are involved with those things or who are fans of those things. It's the same thing. Oh, it's crazy. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:45

I do think with with boxing and MMA and any of the martial art kind of stuff, it's a little bit more of like an individual wanting to do this thing rather than a giant multi-billion dollar organization going out and finding high school kids and saying, hey, we'll make your life better.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:03

You know, like they don't see I know it might mean it's not a farm league yet for UFC. However, however, you do have that's funny that you put it like that. That's funny. But Dana White, don't say that. Because if we put this online, Dana White may hear that. He may start that farm league. He'll be at O'Connor. I'm sure they've been thinking about it. Yo, seriously, because all you have to do is go to high schools. Because I know I play high school sports and being at Lexington dealing with the wrestlers there, those wrestlers would love to be able to come out of high school and go into training for UFC to be taken.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:36

That's probably half the reason they took wrestling.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:38

Exactly. Yeah, get your groundwork done. Exactly. So, dang, that's a that's a good business idea, actually, mate.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:45

Don't let that Oh no, it's not a good business idea. It's a way to steal money off of people's soul.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:52

Don't let Dana White hear that. I'm trying to tell you now, because I never even thought about that. I was like, oh, you really they really could do that to them, UFC. Nah, but yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:00

I mean, you have to like the University of South Carolina is a very small school compared to some of these big, big schools. We got a good football team. It ain't the best in the state right now, but it'll come back because we're getting a good thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:13

The other game cocks are better than us right now, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:17

Well, anyway. We're still talking about a multi-billion dollar organization. Like, I don't like who's my thing. Here's my other organizations in the state are moving that kind of money.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:31

There aren't. And that's how you know it's it's like Temaia said. You know what it is, man. You know they had to allow them to keep in some way, shape, or form. I know people don't like talking about this, it makes people uneasy, but they had to keep they had to keep slavery of some shape or form. You had to allow these families that had generational wealth and power to still have some way of exercising and using that influence and power. Because if not, you create problems. Like you'll create another situation where you have conflict and then you gotta deal with that conflict.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:58

But then I think like you said, it all goes back to it's still it's still about that black labor. Yes, it is. It's about labor. Yeah, especially then it's like cheaper. Yeah, you know. It's free labor. Like, think about it. Like with college sports, it's essentially free labor.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:21

Yeah. All day, every day. And the and they're and they don't get taxes on certain things, Kevin. That's the part that kills me. Yeah. Man. You can't go out here making that money and running around calling yourself a non-taxable organization. Like, that's ridiculous. It makes sense.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:36

I mean why you're buying up real estate and renting it out to all the coffee shops and juicing companies and all of that crap, but you know, neither nor there.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:46

But then, you know, even with the new thing they have going on with the name, image and likeness, the thing which is jacked up about that too is so you have athletes are able to make my profit off of their name, image and likeness. But that's not but nothing's created, it's not equal. Meaning, if I'm a quarterback, if I'm the star quarterback or I'm just that I've just the highly rated recruit that's coming into a university, of course, I'm gonna get more opportunities for for making money off my name, image, and likeness, as opposed to somebody that might be a fifth-year senior who's barely on the roster.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:30

Yep. And it's gonna create competition. It's gonna create a weird little how would you say it it will create a weird power dynamic within. A class system within college sports? Yes, that's what it's gonna be.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:40

A plantation mentality, perhaps?

SPEAKER_03 1:23:42

Yes, that's what you're gonna have your you're gonna have your high-rated Mandingo fighters and warriors versus your low-rated mango fighters and warriors. And each will get different treats and etc. from mass of boss. That's what it looks like gonna happen because they are gonna be. Come on. Colonialism 101. You gotta do it. You gotta do it. Everywhere that that colonial colonialism has been used, you separate them by by classes. That's why India was real easy to colonize because they already had a class system.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:27

It was different. I will say that.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:29

It was different before the mini started. It worked to their advantage. It worked to their advantage, though. It was like, it was friends, it's like that's one reason why I don't like class systems or caste systems, because you you create you're creating your own indiscrepancies. However, I understand why they had them, quote unquote, why they had them, because they felt they had to have order, and that was the way that they were getting order.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:48

It was it was more about that that on a on a spiritual level, at a point in time in uh the Indian subcontinent, they're were energetically tying you to a local deity. And you know, like it might a particular shrine might only be for the descendants of a particular family, and it was created with that intention in place. And so then when people would start to marry from people who are outside of that, you had to make sure that your your gods were gonna be working together, and that you weren't gonna be marrying somebody that had a deity that was in opposition to yours. And and and a lot of it also had to do with like a natural instinct that we have within us that you know, like we are either um fighters or workers, or you know, I mean, now we live in a much more varied culture, and I feel like a lot of us have a lot of these different components, but at different times and different cultures, you might be drawn to be a crafts person. And there was a whole spiritual set to that, and then there was a whole spiritual set to being a warrior. And and originally I think class systems were about recognizing that and giving you a way to talk about how you fit into that, and then it became something very rigid and and genetic, and there was no way to jump from one to another, and then that's when you start seeing it fall apart, and that's kind of when the British touched it, and then they were like, Oh, this is great. Exactly. There we go.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:20

They ran the town with that. Well, what I wanted to do, because we kind of had a free we kind of do a free form today, but I want to kind of reel it back in just a little bit. Yeah, so with season two, what would you guys like to see us do?

SPEAKER_06 1:26:36

Hell, this is this is for our viewers too. Y'all need to comment on this?

SPEAKER_03 1:26:39

Yeah, let us know what you'd like to see us do, though.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:42

We've been talking about doing some short form social media content, particularly on on the gram, on the Insta.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:48

I really like the conversations that me and Jan What had. You know, the conversation episode we had where it was just like a freestyle Mila. I really like that one.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:58

Oh, that was a good one, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:59

It was a good one.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:00

That was excellent. Because it was like no stipulations, we just kind of free-flowed, and you know, that way we can just get the people more in tuned into into wanting to just join in and be like, oh yeah, let me just hop on hop on the live with you guys or something like that, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:14

That would be cool in in in season two if we're able to do some of those live events. Uh setup now, it will be easier too in the future, and this is what I'm looking for for season two, is just doing things in person and being able to have the opportunity to have folk call in or whatnot like that. That's gonna be excellent, just opening up the platform a little bit.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:36

And yeah, we got some new gear, y'all. We got some new geared. We're gonna be able to do some live events.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:42

How are they gonna call in? I'm like, I'm curious. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:45

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We had a donation from one of our generous benefactors, uh Tabu. Thank you, Taboo. Shout out to Taboo, friend of the show. Local recording artist. Yes, he is. Um wanted to see us be able to do some live stuff. So we're gonna uh take advantage of that. And by the way, if any of y'all out there want to make some contributions or become sponsors for next year, or um donate equipment if you want to. Like if you want to support us anyway, we'll figure it out. Crypto, we'll go ahead and seriously, seriously.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:17

What's the email address?

SPEAKER_04 1:28:19

Oh man, the email address is the Hilltopglove Podcast at gmail.com.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:25

Just send any inquiries to that email, and we will be sure to get back to you in the five to ten business days. Yeah, send us some Doge or Cat coins.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:39

You follow Elon Musk on that shit if you want to, Bo.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:42

Dude, real talk.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:43

Real talk. Real talk. I made like I made like 75 bucks off a Dogecoin. I can't wait. Oh my god. Penny stocks make a lot of money.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:53

They just don't have anything behind them.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:55

Yeah, you gotta wait. You're gonna wait again. Exactly. But yeah, other than that, I think next season, what I would love to see, I definitely would like to see us do some live stuff, maybe some stuff, even if it's just um, I think our strength is in numbers. And I definitely see an opportunity for us to even do one-on-one interviews with people, even if it might be short form or it's something that we can do, like video stuff that we could possibly post, not officially, but we can post like through like live feeds and stuff through IG or something. I think that would be cool because I know what we need to do.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:34

What? So, oh man, I meant to tell y'all this, and I meant to tell y'all this off air. But anyway, last Wednesday, oh god, I'll go ahead and promote the man, friend of the show, preach Jacobs, yeah. Uh does does a live hip hop trivia from New Brooklyn Tavern on Wednesday nights. He does. Shout out, shout out, yeah. Shout out, and uh, we ought to do that. We ought to go down there with some at least some folks. Oh, that would be cool. Do a little trivia team and do a little live cast of the situation. You know what I'm saying? Like it doesn't even it doesn't even have to be an episode, it'd just be some social media stuff because people are doing stuff in Columbia, and I think we need to tell people about it so more people do stuff in Columbia. Exactly, especially with friends and on the show.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:16

We yeah cross market on other platforms more more season two.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:23

That sounds like a plan.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:24

I like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:25

Anything some crossover community events, most definitely I would love to do more community events, show up to these places, they have some what's the name too? What's it called? Um oh, oh gear, Kevin. Gear. That's another thing I was thinking about, making sure that we have our store set up. At least in some way, shape, or thing, get an online store set up. Because that would be so cool just to have some gear, even if it's just for us to start off with, just so we can have something for branding moving around, but plants get it first. Yep.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:01

Still gotta put that one up. Actually, I I I gotta apologize to everybody. The website is in in expert disrepair. Oh Lord. It's just behind. It's just behind. It's not good. It looks great, it looks good, it works. It looks good, and it and it works. It's just, you know, get the the stuff out there. Yeah, then it's just behind. I'm against that though. I'm against that.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:27

Yeah, I think I'm looking forward to the um new artwork. I'm looking forward to that. I think that's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:33

You've been working also with Brandon, it's looking good.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:35

So yeah, yeah, it's new, it's more inclusive because I was realizing the season was going along, especially with um you and Tamaya getting involved. I was like, man, everything just has me an armor's face on it.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:45

Yep, so we're trying to get everybody else's faces on things, but that's gonna make it look better too. But we are we aren't gonna stay too long much longer. I know we have things to do today, places to go, et cetera. I know I have to go do some hustling and stuff right now, but we just wanted to make sure we wrapped up this season properly, let you know how we were feeling uh thinking about the podcast, our guests that we had through the whole season, some of our favorite episodes, just things that we're thinking about just from the conversations that we had, things that were on our minds that we didn't get to talk about, and et cetera. We want to get those things out, make sure we had some kind of record of it so we can hold ourselves accountable as well, which is a big thing. But we look forward to season two, and we're gonna take our little summer break just like everybody else does, quote unquote, from doing our show and whatnot. And we will see you all on the other side. Of course, man, everybody stay up, stay peaceful. Want everybody have a blessed rest of this summer, man, and we will see you for season two of the Hilltop Glove Podcast. That's it for today's episode of the Hilltop Glove Podcast. Make sure to subscribe to us on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, and other platforms. Also follow us on Instagram and Facebook at Hilltop Glove.